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Why I like the prequels (part one- TPM)

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:54 AM

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George Lucas doesn;t care about the fan films because they don't hinder the sales of the prequel movies. None of these fan films look anything like a live action movie. Plus nobody is charging money to see these fan films.


Hmmm, you know, I read in Using the Force that some evidence suggests that Lucas is not too keen on serious takes on his universe. He likes Troops a lot apparently, and other homages like the one about him in college, (can't remember the name). But for some reason he doesn't respond that well to serious fan films about the Star Wars galaxy. Wonder why...
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:15 AM

You know, it actually gains him a bit of respect to learn that he likes Troops. It shows that he must have some sense of humour. Perhaps he's more human than I've given him credit for.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:23 AM

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You know, it actually gains him a bit of respect to learn that he likes Troops. It shows that he must have some sense of humour. Perhaps he's more human than I've given him credit for. "


Don't give him too much credit, jyamg.

Keep in mind that movies like TROOPS......also help create publicity for his prequel movies.


That's why he loves forums like this one.

It get's people talking about his movies. sad.gif
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:41 AM

My God, you're right! He's probably getting a big kick out of this, knowing that here we are... a group of avid prequel haters (except Jariten of course) ... yet day in, day out, we're always talking about his movies.

Maybe we should stop so he's no longer getting the attention....

... but it's just too much fun. wink.gif
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:03 AM

You go jariten! I tend to agree that the prequels weren't so bad. There were some spots I wasn't too fond of, but overall I thought they were enjoyable.

Anyway, may the force (and Basketcase!) be with you down south man! Take it easy.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:09 AM

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the prequels weren't so bad.

That's called "damning with faint praise". laugh.gif I notice you didn't say they were good.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:10 AM

For the totally cynic reply, call HK-47:
Troops is good for business, and it doesn't threaten him in any way. A serious take on the Star Wars mythos however could open peoples eyes and make them see that a rookie fan director can produce material that rivals his own...
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:18 AM

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the prequels weren't so bad.

That's called "damning with faint praise". laugh.gif I notice you didn't say they were good.

While I won't go so far as jariten ranks them, I still like them as films. I'll go middle of the road with them at the moment. But I'll wait on the third to see how it all ties together before I completely cast judgement.

Takes a bit of faith, but we shall see. wink.gif
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:45 AM

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But I'll wait on the third to see how it all ties together before I completely cast judgement. 


But you know what's going to happen in ROTS. To date Lucas has failed to give us one single plot twist. So I'm banking on the idea that ROTS will not have one either. The third film will be made with the same materials as the first two, so I'm not sure where your positive outlook comes from.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:58 AM

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My God, you're right! He's probably getting a big kick out of this, knowing that here we are... a group of avid prequel haters (except Jariten of course) ... yet day in, day out, we're always talking about his movies.

Maybe we should stop so he's no longer getting the attention....

... but it's just too much fun. 


Hell, I wouldn;t be shocked if Lucas is taking part in this forum!!!!!

Hmmmm, have any suspects in mind??? dry.gif
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 12:06 PM

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the prequels weren't so bad. 


That's called "damning with faint praise".  I notice you didn't say they were good.


Too true.

The fact that you guys qualify the prequesl with "weren't so bad", says it all right there.

Yeah, the prequels weren't so bad.

They just aren;ta s good as the Original Trilogy. Which is precisely the problem we all have with them, in the first place.

You know what else.

Drinking expired milk isn;t so bad either. :yuck:

This post has been edited by Mike Mac from NYU: 30 August 2004 - 12:06 PM

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 01:55 PM

Most people here seem to judge the PT by the Mr Cranky movie rating scale; opinions range from 'almost tolerable' to 'so godawful that it ruptured the very fabric of space and time with the sheer overpowering force of its mediocrity'.

For the record, Cranky awarded each of the Prequels a score of four bombs: 'As good as a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.'

This post has been edited by Helena: 30 August 2004 - 01:57 PM

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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 07:08 PM

I give them the 'so godawful that it ruptured the very fabric of space and time with the sheer overpowering force of its mediocrity' rating.
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Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:47 AM

Good, we have another participants who doesn’t hate the Prequels! Welcome Sinbad!

I decided to help you a little. To amuse myself this morning during my tedious journey on a train (and practicing my positive thinking) I was trying to find things I liked in AOTC (I am afraid TPM is beyond redemption for me). So, things I really liked about AOTC

1. The look of the Camino planet. That was beyond cool. When it comes to the visual effect, I think this one can actually match the Cloud City. The torrential rain beating the grey waves of that ocean – splendid. And now, after desert, forest, jungle, snow we have – surprise, surprise – an ocean planet! How did you devise that, GL?

And… this is all! There are a few things I liked only so-so, sort of taken out of context. Because in the context, they do not make sense, or are simply gratuitous.
1. Natalie’s Portman midriff… What I mean, is that I would kill for a midriff like that. But the said midriff was introduced in such an idiotic way!

2. Obi-Wan spaceship – kind of cool-looking. But he has a R4 unit in it. And I remember only too well Obi-Wan from OT saying “I don’t remember ever owning a droid”.

3. Chase in the asteroid field. Also kind of cool, better than fish chase in TPM.

4. Seeing some Jedi knights in action. But, like the Elves in Helm’s Deep, they all die in the end. Jedi as cannon fodder.

Honestly, much as I tried, there wasn’t anything else to like here. Not too much for quite a long film.

And Mike, it cannot be JYAMG who is Lucas in disguise. This guy is too creative, I am afraid.
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Posted 31 August 2004 - 03:24 AM

Maybe it's Barend. Because he's so evil, he might be just having us all on for a laugh. And I bet you, Barend is not his real name either, unlike my username... unsure.gif

And Madam Corvax. It is very nice of you to try to help out our poor underdogs, the people who actually enjoyed the prequels. Let's see if I can be of assistance....


1. Yes, the ocean planet. And one of those creatures seemed to be riding a flying fish creature or something. It was a pretty amazing world. The building structure lacked in the creativity department though, which was a bit disappointing, so I won't go into that. Nor will I go into the ridiculous notion of showing a mysterious bounty hunter, in his apartment with his kid, and then letting a Jedi Knight come in and have coffee with him...

2. The fight between Obi Wan and Jango Fett (apart from having bloody young Boba Fett inside the ship). It was a stupid scene in that it should never have taken place. But it was nice to see Jango's arsenal put to good use, to have a good look at the ship Slave I in action and Obi Wan seemed pretty cool in this. As I said, this scene should never have taken place as Jango Fett should never have been conceived... and Boba Fett should never have been in the film. But taken out of its context, it was quite entertaining eye candy.

3. Natalie's midriff. Nice. smile.gif

4. On the idea of showing more flesh, I did notice in the bar scene that there was a chick in a G-string. Yay! At least Star Wars isn't so damn timid about flesh anymore. Before Return of the Jedi, nobody had even shown their ankles. Although, I wonder, did any of you ladies fancy Luke when he was just training in his singlet in The Empire Strikes Back? He actually looked quite fit at the time. Anyway...

5. Cute Twi'lek babes. It's interesting. Every Twi'lek male seems to be the most hideous looking bastard imaginable. However, every Twi'lek female, without fail, is a major babe. Jordan, you're definitely not alone in your views on this. One of the things that bugs me about the original movies is that we only got one Twi'lek babe, my favourite of them all, and... Lucas killed her off! I was always angry about that. However, those of you who have seen my movie outings will know that I went to the Star Wars universe and rescued her (and got her phone number). cool.gif Anyway, so it is heartening to see so many of these beautiful ladies in the prequels. And not one of them has been killed off. Much better, Lucas. In one respect, you've improved. smile.gif It was especially nice to see that one of these young ladies was a Jedi Knight.

6. The only clever part in the movie.... the camera fades in onto a scene at night. All we can see is a rocky precipe and in the soundtrack, we can hear faint wooden drums being played. And I thought "A-ha. Anakin has arrived at the sandpeople's camp." However, the camera then pans down to reveal .... Obi Wan on Geonosis! I was actually impressed by this, especially when it came in the middle of a movie that in all its other scenes, completely lacked subtlety.

7. Last one. When Obi Wan is hanging onto the droid for dear life and Zam has him in her sniper's sight, I actually felt excitement and I thought this scene seemed quite tense... but the moment is lost too quickly because it's hard to forget the fact that Obi Wan will live through all of these films until the original Star Wars movie. That, and the fact that with her stupid poison bug plan, Zam had already proven that she was an idiot.

There you go, Jariten and Sinbad. Don't say I never do anything for you. cool.gif
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