[Jordan]

That annoying blue little meatbag Mission Vao took out a Rancor on her own.

My character was murdering in groups on the Unknown Planet. Drain Life mixed with lighting. Game over. I nailed two rancors with that.

The only thing that hurt me as playing a dark side charcter was the force heal. It cost mega points to use. When I faced Malak, I hate 28 Life Support packs, I used those in conjunction with Flurry. I nailed him on the first go. (ok died once)

Except for PUSH, I found all my force powers to be totally useless against Malak. I was a Soldier/Consular.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 21 August 2004 - 02:25 PM

[HK 47]

You are right about the Jedi being the most powerful characters in the game. They should be. There's nothing like an all-Jedi party dual wielding lightsabers. My point is that when I play KOTOR I want to experience Star Wars. I pick the characters I like the most and develop them in a way I feel corresponds with their personalities. I don't care at all about which combinations are the most powerful. Anyway, my favorites are:

1. Mission Vao, coolest Twi'lek rogue in the galaxy!
2. HK-47 'nuff said!
3. Bastila Shan, one of the best written characters, greatest Jedi!
4. Canderous Ordo, simply for being a bad-ass Mandalorian!

Woot! Woot!

This post has been edited by HK 47: 21 August 2004 - 02:51 PM

[Helena]

I didn't even bother using Force powers against Malak - just charged up Force Shield, stuffed myself full of battle stimulants and hacked away. It didn't take too long, even when he used the dead Jedi to regenerate.

We really should start a seperate thread on this, shouldn't we? That way the people who haven't played the game won't have to listen to us rambling on about how great it is and get jealous. I think I'll do that.

[Jordan]

Go to the Arcade, Barend already started a KOTOR post. See you there!

[Just your average movie goer]

The game sounds good, guys. But thank you, Helena for starting a seperate thread for it. I appreciate it.

[jariten]

i think the last star wars i game i played was Super Star Wars on the good old SNES. anyway

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The problem with Anakin's whole storyline is that he's not a noble character who is corrupted thereby setting him up as a candidate for redemption. He's an annoying kid who grows up into a surly teenager with a chip on his shoulder. He's primed to go bad and is unworthy of our sympathy.

Anakins downfall is so well played out because its also entirly a result of the choices and actions he makes himself. Lucas shows how individuals are wholly responsible for their actions and no matter how much Anakin tries to blame, everything rests on his shoulders (as Padme tries to point out to him). the beauty of it is that he isnt corrupted, his fall to the darkside is entirly based on the consequnces of his actions.

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Now Anakin's evil grows not out of him being a jerk

anakins evil grows out of love.

he wants to keep the things he cant, the things he cares about ie Padme and Shmi.

the desire to keep things turns into a desire for greed.

greed turns into a lust for power.

which takes him to the darkside.

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After a battle that is a bloodbath for both sides...He sits in the Jedi High Council surrounded by a hundred dead Jedi, slaughtered in the final titanic battle of the clone wars

so at what point is this film suitable for little kids?? did you ever

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really

expect or want Star Wars to be like this??

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The plot hinges on so many obvious illogicalities that I can no longer achieve anything close to suspension of disbelief

just so were all clear, could you list these elements that you find implausibile??

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But in the Prequels we get a boring plot about a trade blockade

the plot is about a corrupt senator undermining a democracy from within, a queen in peril, and the life of a special boy. the trade blockade is only the first level.

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stupid kiddie 'comic relief' like Jar Jar Binks

these are films for kids

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and a 'hero' who alternates between whinging brat and psychopathic stalker

im personally glad that Lucas gave us something a bit deeper and a bit more three dimensional than the typical run of the mill, black and white hero.

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Yes, some part of me remembers the thrill of being eight and seeing some magical piece of cinema (in my case One Million Years BC) but its not my job to put myself in that frame of mind when I see a film...its the director's job to take me there

i hundred percent agree. however in my case thats what Lucas has been doing for me since the age of 8. i dont know what it is, i cant put my finger on it (unfortunatly. i wish i could so we could talk about it) but there you go.

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You can do something else besides teaching English? It sounds like you know some Japanese then

yeah im working as a translator for a mobile phone company. youre right though, unless youve got the japanese theres not much work for you here (unless its in some dodgy bar)

I thought the whole Idea of Qui Gon not helping the slaves was weak. He would not even help Anakin and Shimi at first. After thinking about it, he then decided to free them by gambling. He even cheat by means of the force during the chance cube toss.

what other options did they have?? it was a dangerous plan, but the important thing to note here is how eager Anakin was to help them. to put his life in jepordy for another. when will we see that anakin again?? 5 episodes later when he throws Sideous down the shaft on the second death star.

[Just your average movie goer]

Ah, Jariten. I am envious. It must be so much nicer to live in one of these countries, doing something else besides teaching kids who don't want to learn.

Regarding Anakin's growth, Anakin in Attack of the Clones is a jerk, no two ways about it. He is rude to Obi Wan for no reason, only sees Amidala as a sex-object. He stares at her like a stalker and uses really terrible pick-up lines throughout the movie. Amidala is not much better either. The way she says "Oh no, Anakin. We can't do this." and then changes into some suggestive leather number with a lot of visible cleavage... is just wrong. Anakin's temper tantrums are wholly unconvincing. It just sounds like a whiney teenager whose Dad won't let him borrow the car keys. And to top this all off, Hayden Christensen is completely the wrong actor for the part. Casting is important... and Lucas seems to have ignored that when he cast Anakin and Amidala.

Ewan MacGregor seems to work as Obi Wan to a point... he does a great Alec Guiness impersonation. But I think he should have argued the point to George Lucas that Obi Wan Kenobi is not a stiff, devoid of humour or personality. Compare the Obi Wan of the prequels to the Obi Wan we first met in Star Wars. You'll be surprised at the difference.

so at what point is this film suitable for little kids?? did you ever
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really

expect or want Star Wars to be like this??

This is probably one of the most compelling reasons why the prequels should not have been made at all. They tell the story of the Clone Wars, the Rise of the Empire and the extermination of the Jedi, including Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

These are dark storylines and to portray them convincingly, they need to be dark films. And no, I don't think they could have been made for kids....

that said, I disagree that these films should be for kids. It was not the kids of today who made George Lucas rich and built his franchise over the past twenty odd years. It was us, the kids of yesterday. We got him where he was. We supported him when Star Wars was a new and risky venture.

And we were the ones who have been patiently waiting for these new films for over a decade. The kids of today haven't been waiting. Half of them have probably never seen the original Star Wars movies. Judging by the comments of the ones I have encountered, many of them don't even like them anyway.

How on earth does Lucas think it is fair to make the new movies for them? This is one of my biggest grievances with the prequels. George Lucas abandoned the original fans for a new generation who he believes are a better financial investment.

The prequels are, to me, bad movies, yes.... but they are not just normal bad movies. People make bad movies all the time and generally it does not concern me. But these were movies that were eagerly anticipated for many years by the people who had supported George Lucas all the way. These were supposed to be our movies - the wonderful reward for our dedication and loyalty. And at the end of it, George Lucas and all of us would all be happy.

But this was not what happened. I feel cheated, very cheated, by these films.

They should not have been made for the kids of today, but the kids of yesterday.

*Side note: I don't think Xombie meant for us to see hundreds of dead Jedi around Darth Vader in a literal sense. I think he was being metaphorical.

im personally glad that Lucas gave us something a bit deeper and a bit more three dimensional than the typical run of the mill, black and white hero.

We don't want a perfectly flawless hero either. But if you'll remember, nobody in the original movies was flawless. Han was a bit of shady anti-hero. Luke was very vulnerable. Leia had a delicious mean streak. Personality flaws are great...

... but we still have to be able to like the hero!

the plot is about a corrupt senator undermining a democracy from within, a queen in peril, and the life of a
special boy. the trade blockade is only the first level.

The corrupt senator had no screen presence and was poorly handled, in my humble opinion. The queen in peril acted like a robot without personality - I could not care for her character less. Every moment she was on the screen and spoke, it caused immense physical anguish to my sight and hearing. I couldn't wait to get out of the cinema when all was said and done.

Sure, the trade blockade is only the first level... but I think the Clone Wars would have been a far better setting for the story and it would have looked a lot better on the opening text scroll. I could not believe that after waiting for well over a decade for this film, one of the first things I saw was "The greedy trade federation..." I just burst out laughing in the middle of the cinema when I saw that. Then afterwards, I felt like crying.

what other options did they have?? it was a dangerous plan, but the important thing to note here is how eager Anakin was to help them. to put his life in jepordy for another. when will we see that anakin again?? 5 episodes later when he throws Sideous down the shaft on the second death star.

A nice point. Still, I completely disagree with the notion that Qui Gon and Obi Wan don't even consider the idea of helping the slaves. Are they moral guardians or not?

And Anakin should have been an adult - and this is also according to the rules set up by the original trilogy. In Return of the Jedi, Obi Wan says to Luke...

"Anakin was a good friend. When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."

It's amazing what you get out of short pieces of dialogue like this...

1. "Great pilot" .... good at pod racing is not the same thing, and nobody, no matter how skilled they are at debating, will convince me otherwise.

2. "I took it upon myself to train him as a jedi." .... Obi Wan took it upon himself.... not as part of some reluctant promise he made to a dying friend. He met Anakin and decided to train him as a Jedi. This is not what Episode I would have us believe. If I recall correctly (and it is getting a little harder now as my brain is constantly erasing the painful memories) Obi Wan didn't want to train Anakin.


Would have been too much to ask of George Lucas to watch his own films again before he proceeded to make the prequels?



- Movie Goer

[Xombie]

Jariten, Jariten, Jariten

How are my suggestions for the Prequels any more unsuitable for children than what Lucas himself has created?

Not to sound like a broken record but :
TPM: Baby Himmler!
AotC: Teen Himmler!

How is glorifying the early life of a man who goes on to kill billions of people a good idea for a children's series of movies? Lucas is morally repugnant for even going down this path. If he wanted to make childrens' stories then he should have continued the adventures of Luke and Hans and Lando etc and had them continuing to knock off cardboard villians. If he wants to explore the theme of moral corruption then he has to deal with moral corruption.

I agree that the Godfather 2 is not a kid's movie. But there's no reasons kids SHOULDN'T see it. I saw it at the age of 10 and while I wasn't able to grasp it then completely I distinctly remember understanding the central point: that even though Michael had defeated all his enemies and outsmarted the law, he had still sacrificed his soul to do it.

How does this really differ from what Lucas intends? RotS is about Anakin becoming the monster. Is he going to have a moment where he realizes what he has done and what he has lost? If not then how is there anything left for his son to reach three films down the line? If so, how do YOU present it to children?

Indeed, how DO you make an ending to this film that is both tragic and appropriate to children? I think children have no problem with tragic themes but apparently you do.

[Helena]

Well, JYAMG has said pretty much all that I want to say, but let me just add this about Anakin's little 'Dark Side' episode in AotC: It is way, way over the top. After spending the whole movie throwing adolescent tantrums, he suddenly switches from Whiny Teenager mode to Wild-Eyed Serial Killer mode. Yes, you might understand him killing one of the Sand People in a fit of blind rage if he arrived to find them beating up his mother or something, but to deliberately slaughter the entire village? That is the act of a cold-blooded psychopath, not a good person who briefly loses control. What's even worse is that he tries to defend his behaviour afterwards, and that Padme - the arch-pacifist who won't even fight a war to defend her own planet - actually sympathises with him!

As for all the things I find illogical in the Prequels, listing them would take forever. I've discussed many of them in this thread and others, and many more are contained in Chefelf's 'Reasons to Hate' lists.

JYAMG and Xombie are right in saying that these should not be kids' movies, or at least not specifically for kids. The original Star Wars movies can be enjoyed by people of all ages, so why not the prequels as well? If anything, they should be slanted towards adults because - as the others have pointed out - the subject matter is so much darker. 'They're movies for kids' is just not an excuse as far as I'm concerned.

[jariten]

How on earth does Lucas think it is fair to make the new movies for them? This is one of my biggest grievances with the prequels. George Lucas abandoned the original fans for a new generation who he believes are a better financial investment.

this is the fact of Star Wars- they were childrens movies, the new ones are childrens movies, and they will always be regarded as childrens movies. they arnt 'ours', we dont own them, and we rightly have no say overwhat happens in them. but even if Lucas did attempt to please the old fans and to totally forget SW's true fanbase, how could he possibly have acheived this? by making the films darker, more violent? i consider myself a true fan, and this would have dissapointed me deeply. its fair to make the films for them because Star Wars belongs to the kids. they will be reminising about these new ones in 20 years time the way were doing with the old ones new. to deny them that is not only down right wrong, it also completly misses the point of these films.

But if you'll remember, nobody in the original movies was flawless. Han was a bit of shady anti-hero. Luke was very vulnerable. Leia had a delicious mean streak.

ok, but i still regard Anakin as a richer, deeper character than Luke. the choices he faces and makes are much more difficult and often morally complex.

Half of them have probably never seen the original Star Wars movies.

but they will do after watching episode 3. let them be viewed back to back, in the way their creator intended.

If he wants to explore the theme of moral corruption then he has to deal with moral corruption.

its about making choices yourself, choosing your own path but also being prepared to accept the consequences. why does Anakin turn bad? is this something we can relate to? would we do things in a similar way? anakin isnt simply a bad, black and white character, his bad actions firstly arise from love, and secondly are entirly acts of his own free will. yes, there are other players there- palpatine, ben, and padme but these influences are always present in life and noone could entirly blame them for what happens. this will sound hopelessley simplistic but he starts of good, goes bad through acts of free will but on the same note eventually redeems himself through that same act of free will. we must make choices ourselves but on that same note we must take responsibilty for those choices. its when anakin realises this that he is redeemed.

I think children have no problem with tragic themes but apparently you do.

no, really i dont. what i was refering to was not the presentation of tragedy to children, but the images you suggested. piles of dead bodies?? a bloodbath?? tarantino??

Yes, you might understand him killing one of the Sand People in a fit of blind rage if he arrived to find them beating up his mother or something, but to deliberately slaughter the entire village?

they were responsible for the death (presumably through torture) of his mother! if that happened to you, and more importantly, if you had Anakins power what would you do?? im not suggesting youre a killer or anything just that these are the questions Lucas wants us to consider. of all the choices Anakin makes, this abuse of power is probably going to end up being the worst. but he will pay dearly for making that desicion

'They're movies for kids' is just not an excuse as far as I'm concerned.

an excuse for what??

[Jordan]

I don't believe that Lucas designed these movies with the intent to target the pre-teen audience. He went over board with CG. We've all done it. I once had an obsession with shading in my drawings. I would shade so much that I would eventually ruin the picture. Lucas did the same thing in the PT's. He added so much CG, that over time it turned into a cartoon.

So in the end SW became a kiddy show.

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[Helena]

this is the fact of Star Wars- they were childrens movies, the new ones are childrens movies, and they will always be regarded as childrens movies. they arnt 'ours', we dont own them, and we rightly have no say overwhat happens in them. but even if Lucas did attempt to please the old fans and to totally forget SW's true fanbase, how could he possibly have acheived this? by making the films darker, more violent? i consider myself a true fan, and this would have dissapointed me deeply. its fair to make the films for them because Star Wars belongs to the kids. they will be reminising about these new ones in 20 years time the way were doing with the old ones new. to deny them that is not only down right wrong, it also completly misses the point of these films.

Fine, this is your opinion. I, and most of the others here, completely disagree. I can only repeat: if the OT can be enjoyed by people of all ages, why can't the prequels?

ok, but i still regard Anakin as a richer, deeper character than Luke. the choices he faces and makes are much more difficult and often morally complex.

How is he a 'richer, deeper character'? I see no actual evidence of this in the films. He turns from a goody-two-shoes little kid into a whiny, immature adolescent with the occasional psychotic interlude. This is supposed to count as 'character development'?

but they will do after watching episode 3. let them be viewed back to back, in the way their creator intended.

If he really intended this, why didn't he make the prequels first? Besides, it's obvious to anyone familiar with the OT that he never had any kind of overarching story in mind. The continuity errors between the Prequels and the OT indicate quite clearly that he is simply making them up as he goes along.

its about making choices yourself, choosing your own path but also being prepared to accept the consequences. why does Anakin turn bad? is this something we can relate to? would we do things in a similar way? anakin isnt simply a bad, black and white character, his bad actions firstly arise from love, and secondly are entirly acts of his own free will. yes, there are other players there- palpatine, ben, and padme but these influences are always present in life and noone could entirly blame them for what happens. this will sound hopelessley simplistic but he starts of good, goes bad through acts of free will but on the same note eventually redeems himself through that same act of free will. we must make choices ourselves but on that same note we must take responsibilty for those choices. its when anakin realises this that he is redeemed.

Not wanting Anakin to be 'black and white' is no excuse for making him utterly unsympathetic. Nothing he does in the Prequels is entirely altruistic, not even the pod-racing or leaving his mother - and in AotC he has pretty much no redeeming qualities at all. He's immature, unreasonable, irresponsible and violent. How can you possibly care about Vader's 'redemption' when he was such an unpleasant character to start with?

no, really i dont. what i was refering to was not the presentation of tragedy to children, but the images you suggested. piles of dead bodies?? a bloodbath?? tarantino??

No, of course this is not what we want to see. 'Dark' doesn't mean wildly violent and gory, it means handling unpleasant themes - death, pain, grief - in a mature fashion.

they were responsible for the death (presumably through torture) of his mother! if that happened to you, and more importantly, if you had Anakins power what would you do?? im not suggesting youre a killer or anything  just that these are the questions Lucas wants us to consider. of all the choices Anakin makes, this abuse of power is probably going to end up being the worst. but he will pay dearly for making that desicion

His power has nothing to do with it! Killing a whole village of people - including even children - in revenge for the crimes of a few among them is completely unacceptable behaviour for anyone, let alone a Jedi! If someone came up to you and told you they'd done something like that, wouldn't you be running for the hills? And the fact that he doesn't show any remorse for his behaviour makes things even worse - is this supposed to be setting a good example for the kids Lucas is apparently aiming the movie at?

an excuse for what??

For bad film-making, absurd plotting, poor character development, over-reliance on visual effects and all the other problems with the Prequels!

[jariten]

I can only repeat: if the OT can be enjoyed by people of all ages, why can't the prequels?

well of course I think they can etc. i certainly do (although i wont tell you how old i am, im certainly not 8 anymore) in fact, if anything, the prequels require much more 'input' from the audience re. palpatines plans/whats really going on etc.

How is he a 'richer, deeper character'? I see no actual evidence of this in the films

ok, heres how I see Anakin circa AotC. Hes impatient, and eager to learn more. he is powerful, but also arrogant with that power. he is frustrated with his master, who is feels is holding him back. but he wants to help with that power (he thinks he has a better plan for Padmes protection and is determined to catch her killer)- and like Qui Gon, hes rebellious.its these flaws in his character that appeal to me, that add that depth. hes far from perfect. he hasnt stopped thinking about padme for 10 years, he loves her and yearns for her and is confused by his feelings etc. he cares for his mother and misses her deeply- Anakin is, above all, human. its when he allows his troubled emotions to come to the fore that his vunerability becomes apparant- although I have problems with a lot of the 'love scenes' in the film, I love the meadow scene when theyre talking about old flames. thats when anakins humanity really came across for me. i really disagree that Anakin regards Padme only as a sex object- his come ons at the start suggest a social immaturity, but its when hes alone with her and especially during the confession scene that i really became aware of how much he cares for her, and her for him.

hes still that little boy who wants to make things right and now he has the power to do so. when he choses to use that power for evil he does it out of love. that, for me, is the real tragedy of his character.

If he really intended this, why didn't he make the prequels first?

he made the original Star Wars into 'Episode 4, a new hope' before the release of the Empire Strikes Back so hes obviously had the backstory, and the idea for the prequels, in mind for a long time. as to the continuity errors, i think its a little unfair to judge that until weve seen Revenge of the Sith.

Nothing he does in the Prequels is entirely altruistic

not even risking his life to help Qui Gon and his mother, building 3P0, then risking his life for Padme on numerous occasions??

How can you possibly care about Vader's 'redemption' when he was such an unpleasant character to start with?

see above

Killing a whole village of people - including even children - in revenge for the crimes of a few among them is completely unacceptable behaviour for anyone, let alone a Jedi!

no of course it isnt, thats why that one choice will shape and play a huge part in not only the remainer of his life, but the whole galaxy.

And the fact that he doesn't show any remorse for his behaviour makes things even worse

he breaks down crying, in total confusion over what hes down and the power he posesses. and padme looks terrified.

No, of course this is not what we want to see. 'Dark' doesn't mean wildly violent and gory

i agree with you, but i dont think xombie does (at least thats what i gathered from his/her post. forgive me if i misunderstood you)

[Helena]

I can only repeat: if the OT can be enjoyed by people of all ages, why can't the prequels?

well of course I think they can etc. i certainly do (although i wont tell you how old i am, im certainly not 8 anymore) in fact, if anything, the prequels require much more 'input' from the audience re. palpatines plans/whats really going on etc.

No offence, but I think you are probably in the minority. I don't know anyone else older than about 13 who enjoys the Prequels.

ok, heres how I see Anakin circa AotC. Hes impatient, and eager to learn more. he is powerful, but also arrogant with that power. he is frustrated with his master, who is feels is holding him back. but he wants to help with that power (he thinks he has a better plan for Padmes protection and is determined to catch her killer)- and like Qui Gon, hes rebellious.its these flaws in his character that appeal to me, that add that depth. hes far from perfect. he hasnt stopped thinking about padme for 10 years, he loves her and yearns for her and is confused by his feelings etc. he cares for his mother and misses her deeply- Anakin is, above all, human. its when he allows his troubled emotions to come to the fore that his vunerability becomes apparant- although I have problems with a lot of the 'love scenes' in the film, I love the meadow scene when theyre talking about old flames. thats when anakins humanity really came across for me.  i really disagree that Anakin regards Padme only as a sex object- his come ons at the start suggest a social immaturity, but its when hes alone with her and especially during the confession scene that i really became aware of how much he cares for her, and her for him.

Yes, I have no doubt that this is how he is meant to come across, but how he actually comes across is as a whinging brat. This is due to bad writing. Look at lines like this:

"It's worse... he's overly critical! He never
listens! He just doesn't understand. It's not fair!"

"Someday I will be... I will be
the most powerful Jedi ever! I promise you, I will even
learn to stop people from dying."

"It's all Obi-Wan's fault. He's jealous!
He knows I'm already more powerful than he is. He's holding
me back!"

This guy is 19 years old? I've known twelve-year-olds with greater maturity than this. Aren't the Jedi supposed to teach things like patience and self-control?

he made the original Star Wars into 'Episode 4, a new hope' before the release of the Empire Strikes Back so hes obviously had the backstory, and the idea for the prequels, in mind for a long time. as to the continuity errors, i think its a little unfair to judge that until weve seen Revenge of the Sith.

Clearly he did not intend to make the prequels from the start, or he would have announced it as 'Episode IV' to start with - no, in fact, he would have started with the prequels! And the continuity errors I'm talking about are things like Anakin being a pod-racer rather than an actual pilot, and Boba Fett having a whole back-story that is never even hinted at in the OT. Then there's the fact that Lucas is now changing the OT films themselves to make them fit in with the PT - removing Leia's speech about remembering her mother, for example.

not even risking his life to help Qui Gon and his mother, building 3P0, then risking his life for Padme on numerous occasions??

The pod race is getting him out of slavery as well, remember? And he enjoys pod-racing anyway. I don't see how building C-3P0 is altruistic - he says himself that he enjoys building things. And he saves Padme because he wants to screw her.

no of course it isnt, thats why that one choice will shape and play a huge part in not only the remainer of his life, but the whole galaxy.

How? It happens before he turns to the Dark Side. He suffers no actual consequences for it, and after the scene where Padme comforts him it's forgotten about and never mentioned again!

he breaks down crying, in total confusion over what hes down and the power he posesses. and padme looks terrified.

OK, let's look at what he actually says, shall we?

"I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them... Not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals... I hate them!"

He's actually trying to justify the act of mass murder he just committed!

"Why do I hate them? I didn't... I couldn't... I couldn't control myself. I... I don't want to hate them... But I just can't forgive them."

Oh, well, that's all right then. Never mind that you're supposed to be a Jedi, a servant of justice and protector of the weak, whose entire existence revolves around self-control, self-denial, and eschewing negative emotions such as anger and hatred. You're only human, after all! And wouldn't anyone react to the death of a relative by going on a killing spree?

As for Padme being terrified, I'm not surprised. The only thing that does surprise me is that she doesn't immediately contact the authorities and report a homicidal maniac on the loose!

i agree with you, but i dont think xombie does (at least thats what i gathered from his/her post. forgive me if i misunderstood you)

I don't think that's what Xombie meant at all. He just thinks that adult themes such as the ones handled in the prequels should be treated in an adult fashion. How can you argue that the story of a good man who becomes a brutal torturer and killer, the genocide of the Jedi, and the transformation of a democracy into a dictatorship is for kids?

[Xombie]

Jariten,

You write:

"no, really i dont. what i was refering to was not the presentation of tragedy to children, but the images you suggested. piles of dead bodies?? a bloodbath??"

Am I mistaken or does the plotline require the Sith to wipe out the Jedi? We've seen bodies, and even dismemberment before in Lucas's films. The blood or bloodlessness of the scene really has no baring on my point.

" tarantino??"

Oh God yes.

How I'd love to see Tarantino at least script doctor the Lucas script. At the very least punch up the dialogue. At the very very least, write some Mace Windu dialogue worthy of the great Samuel L. Jackson.

Mace: I don't think you understand the gravity of this Jabba situation.

Obi Won: Jabba? Is that that fat worm back on tatooine?

Mace: I wouldn't call him fat. Got a weight problem but he's a Hutt so what's the muthafucka gonna do?

OR

Anakin: Oh man, I just shot Jar Jar in the face.


Or maybe that's not what you meant, Jariten