[Chyld]

Well, the poll is an attempt to clarify something Stalky said, and the thread is to focus pie-rantings into one space.

Hop to it!

[Jane Sherwood]

"...or perhaps something a bit more potent?"

[SkinnedAlive]

Of course apple pies are real pie. The real question is whether cornish pasties count..

[der Mudda]

Of course they are pies. The tin miners used to have meat at one end and fruit at the other and they could hold the crimped bit and chuck it when they had finished because their hands were so filthy.

I always thought it rather a neat idea myself but obviously a pain for Mrs Tin Miner to bake. A woman's work is never done, (sigh).

[Supes]

It must be a real pie. Otherwise the statement, "As American as apple pie", would have not meaning at all.

[Chyld]

I couldn't find any way to make fun of that phrase, so here's a huge hunk of a random website that'll provide no insight into the matter at all, but takes up space and makes me look clever. You're quite welcome.

AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE - "America in So Many Words: Words that have Shaped America" by Allen Metcalf & David K. Barnhart" (Houghton Mifflin Co., Boston, 1997) has a section on the subject --"1697 apple pie." "Samuel Sewall, distinguished alumnus (1696) of Harvard College and citizen of Boston, went on a picnic expedition to Hog Island on October 1, 1697. There he dined on apple pie. He wrote in his diary, 'Had first Butter, Honey, Curds and cream. For Dinner, very good Rost Lamb, Turkey, Fowls, Applepy.' This is the first, but hardly the last, American mention of a dish whose patriotic symbolism is expressed in a 1984 book by Susan Purdy, 'As Easy as Pie': 'This is IT - what our country and flag are as American as. Since the earliest colonial days, apple pies have been enjoyed in America for breakfast, for an entrée, and for dinner. Colonist wrote home about them and foreign visitors noted apple pie as one of our first culinary specialties.' We cannot claim to have invented the apple pie, just to have perfected it." But here's the surprising part. The exp​ression "as American as apple pie," the authors say, is not that old. "Apple pie figures in our figurative language, too, as in the exp​ressions 'simple as pie' (since everyone supposedly knows how to make apple pie) and, though not an Americanism, 'apple-pie order' (1780). But it was only in the twentieth century, apparently in the 1960s, that we began to be 'as American as apple pie.'"

And of course we remember the notorious H. Rap Brown, whose 15 minutes of fame flickered in the '60s. His immortal quote was "violence is American as cherry pie."

[SkinnedAlive]

*applause*

[Jane Sherwood]

Is anyone else thinking of that scene from American Pie, or am I just warped?

[Chyld]

The poor pie! If I want cream with my pie...

*stops right now*

[Jane Sherwood]

(*chokes on her drink*)

[Supes]

The poor pie! If I want cream with my pie...

*stops right now*

Outside the three point line Chyld slams one home! Nothing but net baby!!!!

[Chyld]

And I made Jane choke! That's probably an achievement in itself. I don't know, I was too busy eating this suspiciously white apple pi...



:yuck:

[Jane Sherwood]

I'd make a comment about having to clean the keyboard but...no.

No, no, no, no, no.

[SkinnedAlive]

This thread has gotten way too twisted.

[SimeSublime]

Personally, I thought that one scene from American Pie was un-needed. It wasn't funny, to me it just appeared to be the movie where the guy roots a pie(There you go Jane, root in context). The scene seemed nothing more then a gimic so people would recognize the film.