[David-kyo]

No doubt David-Kyo will be quick to post an alternative thread for posting spoilers...

Well, I am not one to dodge fate, so here it is. Y'all know the drill.

[earok]

That was.. wow. Awesome. Who would have thought that Chzo's grand scheme wasn't to conquer earth after all.

I've been speculating why Chzo had the tall man replaced with the floating man, though I definately got the impression that the tall man was intending to stop the bridge being built (deactivating the bomb, killing off the Trilby clones etc) but why was he trying to stop it being built? Possibly to stop others sharing his fate?

I'll have another read through the journals to see if I can work it out.

EDIT

Why were Janine, Dr Harty, Canning and DaCabe left alive by the order? There must have been a particular reason for it because surely it'd be more logical to kill them all off then risk one of them escaping and informing the outside world of the Orders plot, and they were going to be killed off by the bomb anyway...

This post has been edited by earok: 25 January 2007 - 04:18 AM

[Plumberduck]

Checked on here at about 1 AM on the off-chance Yahtzee had posted the game, gave a little shout of yippee, and now it's three hours later and I'm finished.

In the week since Countdown 3 was released, I played through the entire.. Chzo series? John DeFoe series? for the second time, and with those games fresh in my mind I can still say this is probably the best of the lot.

Of course, there are a few questions kicking around in my head. I was about to ask if that was the "real" Trilby as an old man in Chzo, but then I realized the significance of the terrified Trilby cowering in Chzo at the end; the clone that set the fire must have been sucked through the Bridge as well, and "preserved" by Chzo until Malcolm got there.

What happened when Malcolm transferred the old Trilby's energy to the young Trilby? From his positioning, he seems to be Trilby from Lenkmann's ritual in the basement of the Hotel. So it wasn't Siobhan's CPR so much as Malcolm's intervention that brought him back?

Why does the Prince work throughout the game to stop the Bridge's creation? Does he know that he's being replaced? He kills the Trilby's at every turn, increasing DeFoe's power and making it harder for anyone to get to the bomb in the basement... which he already seems to have defused. He knows the Mind needs to be destroyed, but he spends the entire game trying to stop it from happening. And why has he been replaced? Because, eventually, the Arrogant Man needed to be punished?

And finally... Who exactly is the New Prince? Is it Theo? Or, by undergoing the three Blessed Agonies - Body, falling down the elevator shaft; Soul, causing Janine to be killed; and Mind, the general insanity of being pulled into John Defoe's mind - and donning DeFoe's raiments, has Theo's body been entirely consumed by DeFoe? And why wrap him in bandages?

Sorry for how long this was; I guess I'm using it to work out stuff for myself as I type. In any case, I'm glad to have played a game that's got me thinking this much.

This post has been edited by Plumberduck: 25 January 2007 - 04:10 AM

[Sata]

just finished it too (it's 7am here)

and I'm wondering

there was a pic missing at the end, wasn't it?


Trilby /
New Prince (yes, I think the new prince is theo, since you "teke his place" at the end) /
BLANK /
Malcolm


what was supposed to be in the blank place?

secret ending, anyone?

[Crashie]

Maybe it will be in the special edition if it's suppose to be there. Or if there is one.

[BiggerJ]

Maybe it will be in the special edition if it's suppose to be there. Or if there is one.

A possibility, thought the three pictures show the three player characters in chronological order.

An observation: Malcolm's suicide with Frehorn's Blade resulted in his becoming The Man in Red. However, I think, under normal circumstances, this should have caused him to be his own master (killing someone with the Blade makes him your master). I think that his servitude to the universe and the timeline was the result of the fact that, technically, he couldn't have done it without his own future self's help. It happened because of a time paradox with no beginning and no end. Time itself may have killed Malcolm.

On an unrelated note, I hope a future Yahtzee game reveals more about the realm of Magick in general (probably a game taking place there that is completely or almost completely unrelated to the X Days saga). I see this as a possibility due to the fact that Yahtzee has made most of his games take place in the same universe.

This post has been edited by BiggerJ: 25 January 2007 - 06:15 AM

[David-kyo]

I know I'm being a bit thick here, but I still fail to see what Chzo was able to accomplish by all this. Perhaps I've missed something. Would someone be so kind as to tell me?

[BiggerJ]

I know I'm being a bit thick here, but I still fail to see what Chzo was able to accomplish by all this. Perhaps I've missed something. Would someone be so kind as to tell me?

My theory is that Chzo wanted to replace Cabadath with a better Prince. The Prince is Chzo's avatar, and Chzo was not satisfied with him. Cabadath became the prince when he opened the portal to the realm of Magick and was tortured by Chzo personally. However, to Chzo, this may simply have seemed cheap. The New Prince was created through the horrible pains of John DeFoe and Theodore DaCabe. They were tortured by the worst the world had to offer, and Chzo was pleased with the result.

This post has been edited by BiggerJ: 25 January 2007 - 06:44 AM

[David-kyo]

So I guess all this was just for the sake of gaining influence in the Magical Realm. Hmmm.

[David-kyo]

Where do I find the keycard in day 2...

Inside the safe in the dormitory. You need to spell out 'open' to get it open.

[Jack]

I believe it may be as such:

-Arrogant Man attempts to summon Chzo, fails, becomes the Prince
-Prince gives Word to cultists

-Chzo wants to take the pain of John DeFoe
-Trilby becomes the Guide by 'killing' John and destroying (most of) his soulbound objects

-Prince tells cultists to gather the DeFoe artifacts and Trilby
-Trilby's Mind-body-Soul are all broken at the end of Notes, but dies before Chzo can open the gate

-Mephistopholes killer becomes the Bridgekeeper by killing himself and irradiating the DeFore idol

-Theo is broken, becomes the New Prince, and the bridge is complete with the destruction of the house

With the paradox of the Man in Red, an infinite loop causes the events of DeFoe and Trilby to repeat endlessly in the world of Chzo, allowing him to grow with a limitless amount of pain.

That would explain that when the Bridgekeeper kills himself, he appears in the world of Chzo, facing the old Trilby clone and the New Prince, while giving life back to the original Trilby so he can send the DeFoe idol into space. The Old Trilby would have had to have been the last clone, considering the New Prince was there.

Chzo is as said, a Pain Elemental, which's only purpose is to accumulate pain. By creating this bridge between the worlds, and with the Bridgekeeper creating an infinite loop, Chzo would exist in endless bliss in a realm of pain he already had absolute dominion of, as he was the last.

And even after that, the rest of the world of Technology goes on while the Manor, Hotel, Optimology, and the Mephistopholes are isolated in time.

[David-kyo]

-Mephistopholes killer becomes the Bridgekeeper by killing himself and irradiating the DeFore idol

Caretaker, you mean. The Bridgekeeper was John DeFoe.

Your explanations cleared up a few things though, kind of reminds me of the ending of Final Fantasy VIII now.

[Mr Jimmy]

This may sound strange but...

Im stuck on day one.

I'm out of the bed and looking for the women who has the guns. I've looked in everyroom and found two locked rooms. HELP!

happy....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!

[ankewl]

NVM figured it out... now day 4 is freaking me out. What do I do to that woman??

This post has been edited by ankewl: 25 January 2007 - 08:34 AM

[rippa32]

First off absolutely fantastic game. Didnt soil my pants as much as Notes but still a few things really creeped me out. But as good as it is there just seems to be so many more questions when the idea was to tie up loose ends. And the Tall Man is so much cooler than this new fella. But enough of my petty gripes damn fine game and story all round.