stupidity of gay pride l
#4
Posted 07 March 2004 - 01:22 AM
And getting it up the @$$ is far better and deserves a lot of respect because....?
#5
Posted 07 March 2004 - 02:12 AM
And getting it up the @$$ is far better and deserves a lot of respect because....?
I don't think "Gay Pride" carries the claim that anal sex makes one "better." Anal sex is not exclusively "gay" sex, and probably more straight people enjoy it that gay people (straight people outnumber gays nearly 20 to 1. Also, few lesbians are interested in it). You may be insecure enough to believe that one person's (or people') "Pride" means that they feel they are better than you. You may fear that if we accept gays as members of society than we will suddenly stop selling MAXIM and COSMOPOLITAN, women will all give up on men together, and straight white guys will lose all of their power in North America. I personally doubt it, looktothesky, but then I'm a lot older than you.
The "Gay Pride" marches have a history that dates back to the Stonewall riot in New York. Before then, cops would routinely get their kicks by beating up fags in bars. One day, a load of queens got together and fought back. Good for them.
Straight people, incidentally, do march around and proclaim their interest in sex with one another. I really don't know what straight guys you know, but I have had loads of friends who talk about celebrities they'd like to fuck. We flout it on the covers of magazines and in the plots of nearly every movie or televeision show ever made. We use it to sell nearly every product on the market, right down to children's toys and comic books. Gay people, a small and legally restricted minority, like to get together once in a while to a) foster community; embolden closeted gays who are afraid there's noone else like them and simultaneously fearful of abuse and recrimination; and c) to remind society that they exist and that they buy things and that they vote. And straight people go to watch the marches and sneer. This, incidentally, is the main reason for the marches. Once they can march and not fear anyone coming out to sneer, they'll stop marching.
Grinner, I hope I've answered some of your questions. I have a few for you:
How do gay pride marches "Piss you off?" Do peace marches have the same effect? Have you ever actually thought about your reaction to homosexuality? Is it based on religious or social pressure? Why do you believe there IS social pressure to hate minorities? Are you one of those fellows who sometimes thinks that if he'd been in Krakow, he would have helped Jewish outlaws, or do you think Hitler had the right idea? Do you wish gay people would "just keep it to themselves, and not force their lifestyle" on you? Do you have any sense of perspective? Can you see how Christianity has forced its values on gay people? Do you believe that gays deserve the abuse they receive? Do you think homosexuality is a choice, or that gays are just trying to be different? Do you think that all gay men are trying to have sex with you? Do you think homosexuality "caused" AIDS? Do you think that gay people will make their chilren gay, the way their own straight parents "made" them gay? Which is more important to you, getting gay people to shut up, or balancing the federal budget?
Just some thoughts.
#6 Guest_Little princess_*
Posted 07 March 2004 - 02:29 AM
There are still the jokes and the gaybashings, but I still think it's getting better for people who are gay in our society, Western society I mean. They don't all feel compelled to hide it for fear of losing their jobs or the support of their families etc.
Incidentally, the Sydney Gay Parade didn't get much publicity did it?
I know a couple of blokes who went in it last year...they love dressing up.
#8
Posted 07 March 2004 - 08:39 PM
dont think of me like that. if your implying that. it was just a silly thought.
Twelve jurors,
one judge,
and half a chance.
#9
Posted 07 March 2004 - 08:40 PM
dont think of me like that. if your implying that. it was just a silly thought.
Twelve jurors,
one judge,
and half a chance.
#10
Posted 07 March 2004 - 08:55 PM
gay pride marches dont piss me off.
yes, i admit i dont like the idea of homosexuality, but realize that they are still human beings.
it's not based on pressure. i am a person who doesnt let peer pressure or any pressure shape me into anything than what i want to be.
of course there is social pressure to hate minorities, but only idiots and wusses will give in.
hitler was disturbed.
not neccessarily, but if anyone did try i would let them know to never talk to me, trying to impose ANYTHING, ever again.
yes. i have perspective. im not a racist or anything like that
i see how christianity has forced its beliefs on gays. and i think that that is wrong too.
no one deserves abuse for being different in any way, certain people in general do though.
homosexuality is a choice.
no. they probably are more interested in gay guys.
didnt monkeys in africa start aids?
i hope that homosexuals dont impose anything on their kids. like i said before, i think it's wrong to impose anything on anyone. people should develop their own personality, and beliefs, by themselves.
i never talk politics, cause im not interested in politics. but we dont need to shut them up, so i'll say federal budget.
calm down man, i didn't mean anything by this. it was just a silly thought, and i get the impression that you think im a racist of sorts. im not, and even if you do im fine with that.
Twelve jurors,
one judge,
and half a chance.
#11
Posted 08 March 2004 - 12:58 AM
Three replies in a row! Two identical! I guess you were having technical difficulties.
Okay: do i think you're a racist or something? Yes, I do. I think you are something. And yes, you admitted that gay pride parades piss you off when you suggested that "they probably do it just to piss us off." Like, does it ever occur to you that, say, those Club Med commericals from the 80s, the ones with the "hands up, baby hands up" song were designed to piss you off? Yes: I grabbed a completely random thing. Don't think too much about Club Med right now, or whether you hated those commercials or that stupid song. Just consider the possibility that when men and women get together to march about Gay Pride, it's not to piss you off. In fact, it has sweet fuck all to do with you.
Again, like someone else already said, straight people don't need to organize parades. We are the majority, and the majority doesn't need to make any bold gestures to advertise its position. Minority groups are often represented in parades, and the purpose is to build solidarity, and to establish one's group as a political entity. If the idea of minority groups getting together to do that pisses you off, or even has the potential to do that, it's something you are doing. It's not something they are doing.
Your replies:
1) yes, it sure does piss you off. Why?
2) You do so give in to peer pressure. Your peers don't like homosexuals. There's no way you can tell that from behind the veil of ignorance you would have found homosexuality repugnant. Disagreement with natural expressions of affection, especially the strong disagreement leveled on homosexuals, is a social, usually religious pressure. Want an instructive example? When Sammy Davis Jr married that Scandinavian model, people protested and burned his albums. This is what, forty years ago? Now nobody gives a crap about black people marrying white people. So what happened? I'll tell you: the social pressure was lifted. You probably never think about miscegenation. Why do you think you react to homosexuality? Do you REALLY think your reaction is something you came up with on your own?
3) re: social pressure, "only idiots and wusses give in." hmm.
4) We agree on Hitler, but do you honestly think you would have taken a strong stand in favour of the Jews? Everybody says that, but you're not even willing to make a *weak* stand in favour of homosexuals. They are a minority currently in danger of being discriminated against by a constitutional ammendment. What's you take? You think they're just trying to p[iss you off with their Gay Pride parade? They're trying to stay alive!
It's like a few years ago, when Elia Kazan got that Lifetime Achievement Oscar, and all sorts of pretentious Hollywood hacks wouldn't applaud because he was forced to name names during the Un-American hearings. Kevin Spacey sitting there, all angry with his arms crossed, thinking "If government agents pulled me out of my house and threatened my family with deportation or prison, I wouldn't have told them who was at that party I went to." Pretentious fucking hack.
5) I'm not sure if you know what I meant by perspective.
6) Yes. Christianity shouldn't have total power over the law or social attitudes. Yet it does. From time to time "vices," like homosexuality, drug use, alcohol consumption, gambling, dirty books and so on, are OUTLAWED. Like, with criminal sentences attached. This is the history of white people in America. It doesn't begin like in a novel, with some evil empire dropping down with guns blazing from the sky. It begins with police suddenly having unlawful power and the mandate to enforce it. Before that, it begins with people being apathetic enough to deny or ignore what's happening in the courts. And these people typically say things like "I think they should have all the rights of comon men. Except, unlike straight people who can hold hands and kiss on the bus, I think gay people should keep quiet, and not flaunt their lifestyle. They should keep it at home, where it belongs. I tolerate them; I'm not racist or anything. I just don't ever want to see them or hear them talk."
7) Homosexuals imposing their preference on their children: you didn't get my joke about how all homosexuals had straight parents. The idea that gay parents could make their children gay is like saying that black people who adopt a chinese baby will somehow make it black.
8) Homosexuality is not a choice. Try choosing it some time.
9) You have a lesbian friend? Forward this entire correspondence to her and see whether she comes down on you with both barrels. I guarantee you she will nail your ass.
10) "Don't think of me like that" OK. Don't BE like that, and we have a deal.
#13 Guest_Rhubarb_*
Posted 08 March 2004 - 03:18 AM
Princess: Yeah, I think it is. In Aus at least. In England things are still a little strained and sneering at gays is the national pastimes of schoolboys. But Queer Eye is a prime example of times becoming more tolerant - ten years ago that show would never have been accepted, let alone as popular as it is now. Thirty years ago and it would have been illegal (probably, I'm not to good on modern history).
My godmother and her daughter go to the G&S Mardi Gras each year and participate in the Dykes on Bikes parade. The daughter is eight.
#14
Posted 08 March 2004 - 03:29 AM
I went to one once and was disgusted. I saw men walking around in tight leather with cut offs on the back so you could see their ass cheeks. I saw alot more disturbing stuff too. Meanwhile, the spectators just loved it. It had floats filled with transvestites and topless lesbians marching with flags.
Afterwards, Davie street (place of the parade) had all it's bars packed to the brim with gay men and women. I was very creeped out, and it came so natural too, I did not even have to try and feel grossed out.
I think maybe you don't like the lifestyle that is accosiated with gays. I can understand that fully. Some gays are gay and just leave it at that, but some like to flaunt it and whatnot, and that makes me sick. And at those parades, that is what you see.
This post has been edited by Jordan: 08 March 2004 - 03:33 AM
#15 Guest_Guest_*
Posted 08 March 2004 - 04:02 AM
Couldn't you argue that gay rights parades are divisive, and serve no long-term purpose? Sure, they highlight the existence of a gay community, which is no doubt reassuring to people growing up questioning their sexuality, but ultimately they're saying "there's us here on the floats, and there's you there in the crowd. We are irreversibly, totally different."
Think of it like if there was a black person march every month. Sure, it might help keep politicians aware of their issues, but ultimately it's a divisive step that serves to further differentiate black and white people by placing one group on display while the other looks on. To put it another way, it marginalises the parading group. It says, we are an oppressed minority that needs special help and recognition. That might be the case... but it doesn't help gain the acceptance of mainstream society.