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That genocide was brought about them? Well, if you count communist genocides then that is every single fucking people in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and South East Asia. If you count genocide committed by a foreign country then that basically includes all of South America and all of Sub Sahara Africa. That’s a lot of wars with a lot of people dead.
Ummm... Snake... just about all of those nations in the areas you mentioned DID have wars and DID gain their independence. You're not helping yourself much.
I was talking about areas in a nation with large ethnic areas that don’t want to be ruled by that nation and want to ‘return’ to the mother country.
No you were quite clearly not. But since you're talking about them now I suppose I'll go to it. Chechnya does not fit that category and I think that several wars and a complete genocide of the Chechen people is a good grounds for secession as well as the human rights abuses and electoral misconduct that you continue to deny simply because it is problematic for your lunatic assertion that all of chechnya's people are now better off.
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Except war is against international law in the first place. So even if you do somehow manage to take over Australia, however doubtful that is, you still have to somehow justify your illegal war and occupation of my country. You wont be able to.
Ah but Chechnya was under a state of war. International law however didnt protect them, so they had to ask for help from Russia, help that eventually turned into the annexation of their country. And I dont care if my occupation would be legal or not. I'm asking if it would be accepted by you as long as every citizen got their punch and pie, I'm asking if you would live under occupations as you think Chechens should and the answer is appearign to be no regardless of how you wiggle away from the point.
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Indeed.
Quite.
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Ah well youre a good citizen then since that means you'll never turn on your country. But now theres a tiny little problem. You see I seem to have reversed the argument. You originally said that if a country (chechnya) was better off under occupation it should submit. I then asked if you would do the same and through some cajoling and the implication that you were a prospective traitor, I got you to make this statement, which basically guarantees that you would never accept foreign occupation of your nation.
Unless it was beneficial to all my people. Fuck, how can you not understand this? I would prefer to live under the Commonwealth banner if it was beneficial but currently its not so I want Australia out of the Commonwealth.
I assume, since there is no context whatever to indicate what in gods holy name you're on about, that you speak of the commonwealth of independent states, the group of former British colonies still on good terms with HMs government. My question is why? No, we are discussing Chechnya and using Australia as an example as an occupation thereof would effect you. I'm not going to allow this to turn into a debate about the commonwealth. But theoretically speaking, assuming most Australians did want to withdraw from the commonwealth, wouldnt that be wrong to deny your sovereign her right to rule over you? I think Elizabeth The Second would be most disappointed with your attitude. If you don't care, then why do you care about how Putin feels about Chechnya's push for independence? Explain without bitching about the commonwealth. I assure you I dont care.
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Do you believe that every single Chechen is better off (including those who have disappeared, opposition politicians who are now banned, those who have been tortured, the families of the disappeared, etc)? If not then you must stand against the occupation by your own statement.
Good question. If the war ends and the drug lords are brought to justice then yes, all the Chechnyan people would be better off. I dont know how many people have ‘disappeared’ or ‘tortured’, as far as I can determine, that could be propaganda peddled by pro-independence propagandists.
Hold on... Ignoring your completely baseless dismissal of independently verified and globally reported human rights abuses and crimes against humanity (Amnesty international are just propaghandists [who peddle propaghanda!!!]) You are seriously asserting that after a war and the almost total destruction of their capital city, that all the Chechnyan [sic] people are better off? I know (because you say so) that none were tortured, disappeared or barred from holding office, but then I must ask, what about those killed in the Russian invasion? Oh, I'm sure you have an answer for that as well, let me see, I expect it will sound like this:
"Any talk of civilians dying in Russia's invasion of chechnya is propaganda peddled by pro independence propagandists."
Very well then, I suppose in the Chechnya in your world the people really are better off. I'm sure the streets are pathed with cheese and there are no cats to eat the cute little mice. Oh wait, you're probably watching the heart warming family film
An American Tail which tells the story of a plucky young mouse's journey to America. That would explain the lack of genocide, torture and civilian casualties. The news is two channels up.
Censored nonsense:
That's nice, now you see, this is part of the reason why I believe that you are a [censored] The dictionary defines dick many ways, most notably as the human sexual organ. However, and most poignantly to my argument, it can also be understood to mean:
A: A slang term synonomous with asshole
B: as a verb can be used to mean cheating, screwing.
So if we take meaning B we can say that you are dicking people out of their time by putting up arguments regarding the Shawnee indians love for communism, and of course dicking slade out of his time by pasting pages of the same word. You have dicked, and it is common that one who takes an action can be equated with that action, or simply called by that actions subjective form. For instance, one who makes shoes is a shoe maker, and a chimney sweep is one who sweeps chimneys. The subjective or noun form of dick is the same as the verb so we must assume that gramtically you are a [censored]
Also, though I have not seen any photographic evidence, I picture you to be dick shaped.
Tata for now.
Oh, dont bother switching channels. Wrestling is on next and the news from reality has a well known liberal bias.
This post has been edited by J m HofMarN: 11 February 2008 - 02:42 AM