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The Bitch About Steven King Thread You know you want to

#16 User is offline   Chefelf Icon

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Rhubarb @ Jun 15 2005, 12:55 PM)
I've noticed that all his supporters offer this as an argument. It's a method that isn't working for Bush, and it isn't working now. I don't go around arbitrarily attacking anyone who achieved fame. Why do none of you people ever give any reasons why he's actually any good, as opposed to saying my reasons for dislike are all in my head? tongue.gif


I'm not defending Stephen King, I just think he's one of those guys that is overly-admired by some and overly-criticized by others. I think he's written some really good stuff (admittedly The Stand was the only thing of his that I found to be truly great, the rest of it was entertaining).

He sells like hotcakes and literature snobs hate him because of that fact. It's easy to turn your nose up at Mr. #1. Same as George Lucas, same as Britney Spears or whoever.

I don't care about him personally. I don't really care about any artist personally. If they choose to step on children, molest puppies or piss on museums, that's their business. I'm speaking strictly of his work. Sure, he may be an ass but if I judged anyone's art on their personality I certainly wouldn't like the Beatles or Woody Allen nearly as much as I do.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 04:10 PM

Yeah? I can't really like someone's stuff if I think the person who made it is a lamer. I adored Salvador Dali until I found out a few personal details about the man. I enjoyed some of Anne Rice's stuff on a basic entertaining level until I found out how seriously she took herself. I have exception for musicians (like Wagner) and film directors (like Uwe Boll), but with writers and artists, as far as I'm concerned, their work is essentially drawing me into their world. And if they're jerks I want no part in it.
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Posted 15 June 2005 - 04:17 PM

Well, if that is the case, I would avoid finding out ANYTHING about the artists you still like.

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 04:50 PM

I like most of them *because* they sounded kinda cool. All artists are mad fuckers with horrible personal habits, so I don't mind that. It's just some that really bug me. Like, the aforementioned Dali was in with some nasty political shit, and was a total misogynist. Da Vinci, on the other hand, sounds like an awesome weirdo who got obsessively interested in everything and couldn't keep his mind in any one place, and seems to have been much more liberal and tolerant... not that he seems to have cared that much about stuff beyond his various interests.

It's writers I get annoyed about most though, possibly because their chosen medium is a more direct and personal form of communication. Rowling annoys me a bit, in terms of style. But she is *very* left-wing, and that's probably one of the main reasons I rather like her stuff. And in addition to being a great writer, T.H. White's views, opinions, and (I believe) personality coincided with mine on almost every point. What a shame he was gay and died many years before me, in his 80s. We could have had something special.
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 02:10 AM

I loved Once and Future King, it really gave you a view into the authors thoughts in such a subtle way. I cant stand how little press it gets.

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 04:31 AM

Little press? But it was in X-Men 2!

Sword in the Stone was my favourite Disney film until I read the story and realised they'd just lifted pretty much the whole screenplay from the text, cutting out loads of good stuff in the process and adding a whole bunch of crap songs.
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 03:04 PM

Well yeah but I mean whereas, say, La Morte Du Arthur is regarded as a classic, and J R R Tolkien's writings are like the bible, something like White's novel should be just as well regarded. Ah well.

My favorite disney film was where that fox played Robin Hood. That was cool. That and the lion king. But yeah the film version of OafK was kind of mangled.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:18 PM

I liked the first half of The Stand, Apt Pupil, and The LongWalk, and that about covers it.
Dean Koontz sells quite a bit, and I think his stuff is much worse than Kings.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 05:00 AM

QUOTE (BobEPeru @ Jun 23 2005, 08:18 PM)
Dean Koontz sells quite a bit, and I think his stuff is much worse than Kings.

Well, no one's disputing that.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:58 AM

I can see that, but I tossed his name out there, because I think he deserves as much, or more ire than King does, and because they both write in the same genre.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 10:44 AM

Edgar Allen Poe's the man, and I still meet people who dare to compare him to King.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 03:23 PM

BobEPeru - Well, as far as I'm concerned, the difference between Koontz and King is that I've read roughly a third of all King has to offer and enjoyed bits sporadically, and I've read one book by Koontz and never had an urge to read another.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 05:36 PM

Ha ha..smart move.
I read Anne Rices' Vampire Chronicles finishing with the one about the devil simply because I enjoyed the first book, on some level, and felt the need to read them all. By the time I finished them I hated the series, and her style. I think I skipped over her paragraph length deccriptions of New Orleans' French Quarter after I realised I was reading the same thing over and over.

I know this is the "bitch about King" thread, but I haven't read anything by him in a very long time, so I just took the oppertunity to bitch about other authors that annoy me.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 07:43 PM

I used to adore Anne Rice and worship all her books until I found out that she wasn't a comedy writer. True story. For years I was convinced that her Lasher books about the demon ghost thing who fucks an entire family for eight centuries while they're simultaneously fucking each other and then becomes a real boy by possessing an unborn foetus were subtle comedic masterpieces (not least because of the scene where the foetus' father is fighting the newly born demon, glances at its penis, and says resentfully, "I see my wife certainly equipped you well"). Not to mention her Beauty trilogy about a kingdom of bondage slaves who all defy the conventions of biology and never attain pregnancy, STDs, muscle cramps, or states where they aren't incredibly horny. The day I found out Rice took herself 100% seriously was a very sad day for me.
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Posted 24 June 2005 - 08:07 PM

Your Lasher decriptions does sound pretty funny. Maybe if a movie was made, it could be done as a comedy and be worth checking out.
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