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Posted 04 June 2005 - 09:48 PM

True, but the Wampa on Hoth bled....did he not?
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 11:04 PM

Not to my recollection - and you can say that Luke didn't know how to properly maintain his saber at full power.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 12:15 AM

Just a note on Silicone Based Lifeforms...

I'm pretty sure I did like a report in Chemistry in my Junior Year of Highschool on the possibility of Silicone Based Life and its like, pretty slim, for like a lot of reasons. Like the Sand thing; thats a problem. Its rough when your respiration has sand has a byproduct. And also, the bonds or something that are formed are too weak to support any kind of life, I think. Or something technical like that. Im pretty sure you can get any useful information on the subject by googling it; that's what I did.

And also, yeah, I agree with Helena. Just because we haven't explored the whole universe doesnt mean we dont have a pretty good idea what its made out of, and thus are maybe in a decent position to imagine what life would have to be like in order to be like, well, life, you dig?

So yeah, I guess if you want to like, throw current scientific theory aside, then maybe you could make a case for there being bizarre forms of life that have stuff that looks like blood, but is, in fact, entirely different from blood in every sensible way. But you have to leave a lot of standard scientific views by the wayside (or at least lets suppose you do, i mean maybe you dont. im no scientist.).

Basically, it seems like you are appealing to a version of the problem of induction. All we've got for what kind of life there is is what we've seen and all the things that have led us to believe we have reason for applying that to what we havent seen. But be careful about messing with the induction; because if we have to abandon that, then well, we probably should be very very very very very very very very open to the possibility that the sun won't rise tomorrow, or that if we drop something it won't fall to the earth (and not pretend open, like we are now), and quite frankly, that way leads to madness.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 01:18 AM

Dude...I'm sure of it. I KNOW that the Wampa (or as it is referred to in the back of a recent PSM magazine, the 'White Wookie from Ice World') bleeds some blood.

I have searched my feelings and I know this to be true.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 02:35 AM

My memories of that scene are a bit vagued up by the Special Edition/theatrical treatment crossover. You may be right but I don't think the original had him bleeding.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 02:39 AM

Touché...after all, the version I have seen most recently IS the DVD version of ESB.
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Posted 05 June 2005 - 07:26 AM

I have to agree with Helena: GL didn't know what he was doing with the lightsaber when he filmed the cantina scene. Besides, the scene could have been:

GL: OMG, I just told you I needed more aliens. *tears at hair* See those sticks? Make them into some kind of walking bird? That wolfman mask, get someone to put it on and put him over there.

Set Person: How's that, George?

GL: What? Blood? There not supposed to be any blood with lightsabers beecauzze -- as everyone knows -- lightsaber CAUTERIZE wounds.

Producer: Hey, George, you know I've been waiting to see this scene get filmed for over two hours now.

GL: OK, okay. Let's just get this scene filmed.

Set Person: But what about the blood?

GL: Forget it, we'll fix it in post.

Set Person: But, sir. We don't have that technology yet.

GL: Then we'll fix it in the special edition.

Set Person: Yeah, right. Like that's ever going to happen.

GL: Roll camera.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Rory @ Jun 5 2005, 05:15 AM)
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Basically, it seems like you are appealing to a version of the problem of induction. All we've got for what kind of life there is is what we've seen and all the things that have led us to believe we have reason for applying that to what we havent seen. But be careful about messing with the induction; because if we have to abandon that, then well, we probably should be very very very very very very very very open to the possibility that the sun won't rise tomorrow, or that if we drop something it won't fall to the earth (and not pretend open, like we are now), and quite frankly, that way leads to madness.


Well, I don't think we should disregard what we think we know about science and the universe. I just think that it's kind of pointless to talk about the universe as a whole, even when we haven't explored any of it really. We can look at what we have discovered and apply tests to it and see what seems logical. But I don't think we have enough knowledge to make statements about the whole universe, and about all life in the universe, because we don't have any evidence. We only have evidence that we've seen, and I don't think it's logical to apply what we know to things we really don't know anything about.

Sun coming up tomorrow isn't really to do with it. Sun has come up every day for however long, and we all experience it. Alien life has never been experienced, which is my whole point.

Let me remind people that I am not defending Lucas... I think he just didn't know what he was doing with the light sabre thing, I just pulled that out of my ass as possible reason that he might have given - it is a pithy defense.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 01:16 PM

Anyone ever notice that Maul bled, too, when he was sliced through? There's a nice mist of blood as the blade passes.... just to throw a wrench into the works here.

Do I have an explanation... absolutely not. What lightsabers do are on the low end of the totem pole of what's wrong with the movies.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 06 June 2005 - 01:17 PM

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 07:08 PM

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What lightsabers do are on the low end of the totem pole of what's wrong with the movies.


I couldnt have said it better myself.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ May 24 2005, 02:18 PM)
*Bangs head against wall* Look, as I said, all life in the known universe is carbon-based. It's hard to know what any other kind of lifeform could be made of, since we know pretty much every element in the periodic table, and the only molecules we've found (not for want of looking, believe me) that are capable of natural self-replication are carbon-based. It's not absolutely impossible that there could be lifeforms based on other kinds of matter, but what is certain is that they would be nothing at all like us.



Now Now... there is no such thing as carbon in Star Wars.
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:38 PM

...only midichlorians... life wouldn't exist without them..... nyi!
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:27 AM

here's my gusher explanation... (and i mean gusher as in bleeder, as gushers would not come with anything this good).

vaders sabre passed right through lukes wrist, touching every part of the wound (which at the point was 80% bone so the bleedable surface area was minimum, allowing for an easier burn).

Obiwans Sabre did not completely sever the shoulder, it only cut through the bone and sinue and flesh in front of it, the rest tore under the weight of the falling arm, thus the bleeding...

how's that...
(feel free to use that against us gushers)
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Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE (Rory @ Jun 5 2005, 01:15 AM)
Just a note on Silicone Based Lifeforms...

I'm pretty sure I did like a report in Chemistry in my Junior Year of Highschool on the possibility of Silicone Based Life and its like, pretty slim, for like a lot of reasons. 

Isn't silicone that what they make some breast implants out of? tongue.gif
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Posted 08 June 2005 - 09:13 PM

Who knows, MIB II's Ball-Chinian may even make an appearance in a future version of Star Wars. I wonder how their species would react to lightsaber wounds.
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