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Posted 30 May 2005 - 02:11 AM

Yeah, everybody else forgot that the middle ages are over... Why are you still over there, Ms. Corvax?

When I hear "natural method" I think of finding out the woman's menstrual cycle and figuring out when it's safest to copulate with the least fear of conception... But love does strange things to people. If he's hooked enough to put up with what he is asking about, leave him be, I say. Right now that would be a "no way!" warning flag to me for romantic involvement, but if it doesn't come up before the person falls for the other with that mindset, what are you to do?
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 02:29 AM

sad.gif I suppose I am just stuck where I am. Of all the forces in the universe inertia (or heavy bottom) is the strongest. But I've got my little world and I try to block out everything else.

And in a case you just described.. It spells total disaster for me. That is why I suggest LM to find out what exactly would he be in for, should he marry this girl.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ May 30 2005, 07:11 AM)
When I hear "natural method" I think of finding out the woman's menstrual cycle and figuring out when it's safest to copulate with the least fear of conception... But love does strange things to people.


Popularly known as Gambling with hormones on the Catholic roulette wheel. It's about as reliable as telling teenagers not to have sex.

EDIT: bad quoting.

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Posted 30 May 2005 - 12:26 PM

Hey, it is not like I am marrying her tomorrow! I am on my second year of studies, and i do not intend to do anything until I am close to finish! smile.gif

And Madam, you know that most Polish people use anticonception anyway! So aren` you exagerating a bit about living in middle ages? I don`t like the fact that you are creating such a bad image of Poland on this board.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 30 2005, 06:26 PM)
Hey, it is not like I am marrying her tomorrow! I am on my second year of studies, and i do not intend to do anything until I am close to finish!  smile.gif

And Madam, you know that most Polish people use anticonception anyway! So aren` you exagerating a bit about living in middle ages? I don`t like the fact that you are creating such a bad image of Poland on this board.


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Didn't know you are Polish. Off the subject though:
I have a friend from NY whose Granddad was from Poland. Every time he became pissed off or angry at my friend he would say, "What's wrong with you, what are you, a Slav?" (At first, I though he always called him a slob). Can you elaborate on this, as I have yet to receive an explanation?
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 03:35 PM

Busted cold, for being a hardcore masterbater. What else would it mean!
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 03:39 PM

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Didn't know you are Polish. Off the subject though:
I have a friend from NY whose Granddad was from Poland. Every time he became pissed off or angry at my friend he would say, "What's wrong with you, what are you, a Slav?" (At first, I though he always called him a slob).  Can you elaborate on this, as I have yet to receive an explanation?


Well, i don`t understand, as he had a Slav ancestor himself! Are some immigrants ashamed to say they are of Polish decscend? Do you Americans know that it was thanks to Polish social movement and Polish Pope that Cold War has ended. Not to mention our resistance during 2 WW.... We deserve some respect, fortunately Bush always highlighted USA alliance with Poland.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 04:16 PM

No, they are not ashamed as there are plenty of Polish festivities from Dingus day to some Saint's day. Anyway, I was wondering why the slight against Slavs, by a Pole? I think it's a slight against the east slavs of Russian origin?

The poles, amongst others, were sold out by Churchill and FDR at Yalta. Should have listened to Patton-he wanted to steamroll Stalin right into the ground!
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (SPQR @ May 30 2005, 09:16 PM)
Should have listened to Patton-he wanted to steamroll Stalin right into the ground!

If we'd done that we'd all be calling each other comrade right now. Russia would have obliterated us.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 05:12 PM

Hmm, Poles are western slavs, so I am confused. Some people are really ignorant, it seems.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Laughlyn @ May 30 2005, 11:02 PM)
If we'd done that we'd all be calling each other comrade right now. Russia would have obliterated us.

Being an iconoclast for shear shock value rather than reason is never defensible.
That being said,
The US/UK had the liberated Europe, Poles, Lithunaians, Yugoslavs, Baltic states, and who knows, maybe even the Germans in a fight against Stalin (don't think they were too happy being carved in two). Most importantly, and rather more ominously, they also had a little thing called a hydrogen bomb.
I think you the type who would being calling others "comrade" no matter the outcome.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 06:10 PM

Been there, done that already,I assume you have as well, but might I suggest some non-american literature on the subject. Check the stats if you want some proof. Who did the most damage to the german army? The Soviets. Their entire economy was focused on wartime output. They'd modernised their army and equipment, The allies were still fighting Japan, and the US hadn't got the bomb yet.

All sides took the decision of least conflict, which after years of blowing each other to smitherines was the probably the best one for everyone.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Laughlyn @ May 31 2005, 12:10 AM)
Been there, done that already,I assume you have as well, but might I suggest some non-american literature on the subject. Check the stats if you want some proof. Who did the most damage to the german army? The Soviets. Their entire economy was focused on wartime output. They'd modernised their army and equipment, The allies were still fighting Japan, and the US hadn't got the bomb yet.

All sides took the decision of least conflict, which after years of blowing each other to smitherines was the probably the best one for everyone.



The Soviets did most damage after a failed German invasion against a Germany fighting a war on two fronts. The US was also singularly focused on wartime production. Nice books, you've been reading. Check the dates: VE was in May, VJ was in August. They had the bomb long before, and in time for a drop on Red Square.
Least conflict for who? The poles, lithuanians, yugoslavs, and others in the baltic states who were massacred? (Oh yes, they are not included in your everyone).

Don't even discuss MacArthur's ideas for China.

Again, stop reading Putin's school boy history book.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 06:48 PM

In terms VE of positions and manpower, the bomb itself would have done little besides destroy vast quantities of europe, including those states that ended up under Soviet control. None of the US allies would have allowed them to be dropped on anything but Russia, which I might add, had most of it's production well out of range of US bombers.

So we'd have had a slow steady nuclear destruction of everyone, including Poland, rather than occupation. Sounds like a fine way to save european lives to me.

Furthermore, starting another war straight away would have cast America as the aggressor, which looks kind of bad when you've been capitalising on europes conflict beforehand. Little chance of their allies in europe assisting them in warmongering after that.

Short version: Lots of people dies as a result of the decision that was reached, a hell of a lot more would have died if we'd sallied forth into yet another conflict. ergo, best choice of a bad bunch of options.
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Posted 30 May 2005 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (Laughlyn @ May 31 2005, 12:48 AM)
In terms VE of positions and manpower, the bomb itself would have done little besides destroy vast quantities of europe, including those states that ended up under Soviet control. None of the US allies would have allowed them to be dropped on anything but Russia, which I might add, had most of it's production well out of range of US bombers.

So we'd have had a slow steady nuclear destruction of everyone, including Poland, rather than occupation. Sounds like a fine way to save european lives to me.

Furthermore, starting another war straight away would have cast America as the aggressor, which looks kind of bad when you've been capitalising on europes conflict beforehand. Little chance of their allies in europe assisting them in warmongering after that.

Short version: Lots of people dies as a result of the decision that was reached, a hell of a lot more would have died if we'd sallied forth into yet another conflict. ergo, best choice of a bad bunch of options.


How quickly you change tact and ammend your argument.
Germany established bases in the winter war in Finland, as Finland holding back the russians, wanted to see Stalin defeated. The Fins also had a successful airforce and airbases. They pushed the frontline further south than the current border. anywhere in Finland seems like a great place to launch some bombers to St. petersburg and moscow to me. Where does nuclear devastation of Poland come from in your world? Do you just make these things up? Capitalising on conflict beforehand? Churchill had to come to the US and grovel before congress just to get basic aid shipments, and again for arms.
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