How well does it connect? a question and an idea
#76
Posted 23 May 2005 - 05:22 PM
I'm glad we agree on this.
#77
Posted 23 May 2005 - 05:27 PM
Other guys - Ermmm right... rape is something that dosnt occur in SW except by Midichlorians. If there were even a hint of that Anakins actions would have been totally justified if sand peoples culture condoned random rape, which all indications say it dosnt. The sand people are not sand people-like in ep2. But I know they're not month-long-rapists-of-death. That's insane.
I dunno if I am right or what, I might be entirely wrong. Why do you think they had her tied up? I haven't heard any other explanation really, what other benefit would she be to them?
This post has been edited by Richard: 23 May 2005 - 05:27 PM
#78
Posted 23 May 2005 - 05:42 PM
#79
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:38 PM
#80
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:44 PM
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#81
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:48 PM
'Hey, woman from the desert, start building a casa!'
#82
Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:58 PM
pondering...
Therefore, he slaughters the sandpeople because they dehumanized and violated her.
She was raped and tortured, otherwise he would have sprang her from Watto's OTB parlor a long time ago.
#83
Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:03 PM
Glad we agree on this.
#84
Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:10 PM
pondering...
Therefore, he slaughters the sandpeople because they dehumanized and violated her.
She was raped and tortured, otherwise he would have sprang her from Watto's OTB parlor a long time ago.
Ah of course! She was already a slave, so something worse than slave-ness must have been happening to her for Anakin to give-a-shit.
AND I KILLED THEM LIKE ANIMALS
#85
Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:22 PM
#86
Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:30 PM
AND I KILLED THEM LIKE ANIMALS
I'm still not willing to give in to the rape theory, so I will elaborate a little on the slave theory. Perhaps we can agree on that Watto was a slightly more sophisticated slaver than the sand people. If Shmi tried to run away from him he could simply blow her up. The sand people instead had the habit of beating her up at random, thus being held a slave by them certainly was no walk in the park. Had Watto beaten Shmi to death we would probably have seen his blue wings spread across the silver screen, but he did not pose this direct threat to her, which the sand people did.
#88
Posted 24 May 2005 - 01:16 AM
To have something happen for no reason at all is not good story telling.
The whole trick of having the tale told backward not forwardd is that in order to be coherent you need a lot of skill so the seams, patches and holes would not show. There were ways of doing it, but Lucas was simply not up to the task. And the result is mess.
#89
Posted 24 May 2005 - 09:14 AM
Yea you may well be right. The only thing I'd argue with is that if it was just beatings, Lucas could / would / should have shown her being beaten to show what they were doing. But because he didn't show anything, I think it might have been something worse IE rape. Of course that is an extremely flimsy point of view, and I don't really defend it. I just think, if it was beatings, why not show them?
I agree with you Madam Corvax
#90
Posted 24 May 2005 - 06:55 PM
I am not averse to a fair bit of Lucas bashing, but just because the PT does not live up to the OT standard does not mean that everything in the PT can be regarded as stupid. Lucas had Shmi captured by sand people for a very good reason. Anakin's little sand people genocide following the kidnapping constitutes his first significant step towards the dark side. The plot device to use sand people actually seems quite intelligent in my view, since they probably best can be described as part beast and part humanoid. Had the sand people really been truly viscous monsters without any form of social structure (they live in organised villages after all) it would have been much justifiable for Ani to go on a killing spree. Also note that Ani tries to rationalise his action afterwards by saying that they are mindless monsters, but this is certainly not the case since societal organisation implies at least some kind of intelligence.