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Posted 23 April 2008 - 04:29 PM

Our own nintendo fanboy!
Aren't his disillusions cute?
Can we keep him? Can we?

But, back to brawl and button mashing. You think it isn't? I suggest you learn to mash buttons better. (I cheat and use the blender).

At fighting games, my primary strategy is to button mash and pretend I'm a newb till i can silently shark someone, then pretend it was beginners luck, or in the case of SSB (64/M/B), say that i actually stood out of the fight. (And therefore use inherently cheap characters like pikachu (and only using his lightning bolt) to make it more convincing. I know at least a hundred ways to use that damn lightning bolt by now)

With brawl, i haven't had to shark yet. Put simply, mashing more buttons and quicker than anyone else, (and watching my jumps), ensures me a win everytime. On the rare occasion that someone figures out, despite the cameras and poofy effects, what they're doing, they're too busy being pummelled by my button mashing attacks to do anything but button mash back.

If they take control, all i have to do is step back and then in again, button mashing, and I'll take control.


But enough of that, if you care to look around the nets, there's a few SS clones out there, and some that existed before the original SS64 if you trust the production dates. And certainly no end to the Street Fighter clones. If you don't like fighting games, or if you think you know what button mashing is now . . . try some of those out. Your thoughts on the exact nature of button mashing may change after you start using elaborate 16-button combos as opposed to two button super moves at oppurtune moments. It is nearly impossible to do a proper combo in SS, and i've always disliked that.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:18 PM

I'll be devastated if the new smash brothers is a button masher, I never actually owned to previous two games but I have a friend who did and we always played them when we went to his house as such I clocked up hundreds of hours on it anyway. I like to think I mastered Samus since I win 99.999% of my brawls (not sure if this means I'm good or my friends are crap, probably the latter). Point being if the deciding factor goes form skill to button mashing I may as well hand over my smash bros crown over right now.

Also being Scottish I can rrrrrrrrrrrrroll my r's with the best of them.
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.

That is one badass baby.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 07:16 PM

I'm glad he got the game at GAMETRADERS ROBINA. They sound like good people, they do. tongue.gif

I'm a fan of Melee, but I haven't touched Brawl yet, but I can already agree with him on two things:

- Character size and camera zooms. This was annoying but mostly ignorable in Melee. Sounds like it's not much better here.

- Having to unlock characters that were selling points of the game. I prefer my unlockables to be surprises I find out about AFTER I buy the game.

Personally, Yahtzee sounds a bit tired in this one. Let the poor guy review games he loves and loves to hate! wink.gif
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (joshofalltrades @ Apr 23 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should also point out that I AM "that guy", depending on the game. And you're a complete dillhole if you get frustrated and refuse to play against me because of it.


If someone's not good, they should just ignore the game or give it more practice. Fighting games frustrated me a lot especially DOA and Tekken (and VF on some occasions) and all three have extremely smug characters who probably have something stuck up their ass [or have social problems] (ala DOA), give too much philosophy to their reasons to fight or sometimes no reason at all (ala Tekken) and sometimes they don't even have a personality and do it for the lolz (ala VF).


I got more reasons why I left fighting games, but I'm too tired to expand on those anyway.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 23 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Our own nintendo fanboy!
Aren't his disillusions cute?
Can we keep him? Can we?

But, back to brawl and button mashing. You think it isn't? I suggest you learn to mash buttons better. (I cheat and use the blender).

At fighting games, my primary strategy is to button mash and pretend I'm a newb till i can silently shark someone, then pretend it was beginners luck, or in the case of SSB (64/M/B), say that i actually stood out of the fight. (And therefore use inherently cheap characters like pikachu (and only using his lightning bolt) to make it more convincing. I know at least a hundred ways to use that damn lightning bolt by now)

With brawl, i haven't had to shark yet. Put simply, mashing more buttons and quicker than anyone else, (and watching my jumps), ensures me a win everytime. On the rare occasion that someone figures out, despite the cameras and poofy effects, what they're doing, they're too busy being pummelled by my button mashing attacks to do anything but button mash back.

If they take control, all i have to do is step back and then in again, button mashing, and I'll take control.


But enough of that, if you care to look around the nets, there's a few SS clones out there, and some that existed before the original SS64 if you trust the production dates. And certainly no end to the Street Fighter clones. If you don't like fighting games, or if you think you know what button mashing is now . . . try some of those out. Your thoughts on the exact nature of button mashing may change after you start using elaborate 16-button combos as opposed to two button super moves at oppurtune moments. It is nearly impossible to do a proper combo in SS, and i've always disliked that.

Our own fucking asshole!
Really, you just proved my point even further(IF YOU LIKE BRAWL IN ANYWAY YOU ARE A FANBOY), radical dipshit. Also, why are you playing with items off? Really, there's something called physics in the game, which is where you can run away from the mashing and hit them in the face with a crate or something. turn the items on, you stupid asshole. really, I haven't been hated like this since my last encounter with a sony fanboy. Also, some games go FUCKING OVERBOARD with combos making them chains of over 12 buttons! I would rather have the items provided by brawl. THe only Item I occasionaly disagree with is the smash ball, which, when taken by mr.game and watch, turns him into a tentacle rape monster taking up HALF THE FUCKING SCREEN and has THE ABILITY TO KILL EVERYONE TWICE. and will FUCK YOU UNTIL YOU LOVE HIM.

Also, I am NOT on par with the fanboy definition. I am not being a fucking nazi by calling you a fucking abomination that needs to be mass hate-crimed to death, am I? No.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:06 PM

After reading some of the posts, I noticed something: Most of the people that post haven't EVER played Smash Brothers. In fact, the ones that have, have either only played the N64 version or they played directly the Wii version ONCE.

Suffice to say, I shall directly quote one such bullshiter:
QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 23 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But, back to brawl and button mashing. You think it isn't? I suggest you learn to mash buttons better. (I cheat and use the blender).

At fighting games, my primary strategy is to button mash and pretend I'm a newb till i can silently shark someone, then pretend it was beginners luck, or in the case of SSB (64/M/B), say that i actually stood out of the fight. (And therefore use inherently cheap characters like pikachu (and only using his lightning bolt) to make it more convincing. I know at least a hundred ways to use that damn lightning bolt by now)

With brawl, i haven't had to shark yet. Put simply, mashing more buttons and quicker than anyone else, (and watching my jumps), ensures me a win everytime. On the rare occasion that someone figures out, despite the cameras and poofy effects, what they're doing, they're too busy being pummelled by my button mashing attacks to do anything but button mash back.

If they take control, all i have to do is step back and then in again, button mashing, and I'll take control.


YOu sir, have NEVER, EVER played smash brothers. If you have, maybe you play with 3 year olds while they stuff the Wiimote in their mouths while sucking them in a most vampirish way. No player, EVER that has played more than twice the game can say it's a button masher (Unless you're playing with Marth in Brawl), simply put because usually random attacks deal nearly NO DAMAGE AT ALL an your stupid lighting bolt only hits THOSE BESIDE YOU not from the other side of the screen. If you're going to lie, at least have some decency and check some effects Mr Twit.

Back to the review, I don't know why, but this one didn't seem as fun as the other ones. It's not because I have played SSB before, because I also played Halo 3 before and the ranting seemed actually funny. It was a lot more hate and not much direct things. I remember laughing once, but I don't really remember in which part of the review it was. I know it was going to be filled with hate (we all read in Australian Gamer how bad he thought it was), but I don't know, it's like he didn't get as much into this game as he did into others.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Corronchilejano @ Apr 23 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After reading some of the posts, I noticed something: Most of the people that post haven't EVER played Smash Brothers. In fact, the ones that have, have either only played the N64 version or they played directly the Wii version ONCE.

Suffice to say, I shall directly quote one such bullshiter:


YOu sir, have NEVER, EVER played smash brothers. If you have, maybe you play with 3 year olds while they stuff the Wiimote in their mouths while sucking them in a most vampirish way. No player, EVER that has played more than twice the game can say it's a button masher (Unless you're playing with Marth in Brawl), simply put because usually random attacks deal nearly NO DAMAGE AT ALL an your stupid lighting bolt only hits THOSE BESIDE YOU not from the other side of the screen. If you're going to lie, at least have some decency and check some effects Mr Twit.

Back to the review, I don't know why, but this one didn't seem as fun as the other ones. It's not because I have played SSB before, because I also played Halo 3 before and the ranting seemed actually funny. It was a lot more hate and not much direct things. I remember laughing once, but I don't really remember in which part of the review it was. I know it was going to be filled with hate (we all read in Australian Gamer how bad he thought it was), but I don't know, it's like he didn't get as much into this game as he did into others.

I agree. Thanks alot for reposting what I just posted, jackass.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:22 PM

It's amazing. After reading FFreak3 post I can actually time how long it would take on a 1v1 10 life game for me to kick his ass.

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:35 PM

Holy shit, what's with the flood of intelligent people all of a sudden?
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:01 PM

QUOTE (DreamerM @ Apr 23 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that seems to be Yahtzee's greatest peeve: blind obedience, thoughtless worship, anything that involves the person in question not thinking for themselves.


Shit, we've had a lot of that coming from Yahtzee's viewers. except they are blindly obedient towards yahtzee and rabidly attacking anyone who plays SSBB and enjoys it. Great fucking job being tolerant, you silly assholes.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 04:18 AM

One of the first reviews i've disagreed with, if you could call it a review. It was quite a funny take on the fighting genre, but SSBB far from fits into that (button mashing) category.

However my main dissapointment with this review is the lack of the review, However on his point about the camera, dead on! But we tend to ignore the bad levels for it.

I miss Yahtzee liking games now! sad.gif

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:07 AM

It was funny enough, I do agree with him, not that it matters either way what my damn opinion is, but I got an especially good laugh at the "That Guy" comment as for Rock Band and Guitar Hero I was most definitely "That Guy".

Entertaining.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 08:34 AM

It's a pity that I'm probably nowhere near you guys in RL. I could easily show you what I'm talking about, but a typed exposition will take rather longer.

I maintain that you should try a real fighting game. I'm not talking twelve button combos whereas you pull a single move out of your ass, I'm talking about unleashing a series of kicks and punchs that don't allow the other player anytime to act . . . you realize that, right? Not something like left, down, a, giant fireball! More like, kick, punch, jump, punch, kick, lowkick, etc.

Real fighting games are about taking control of the fight and keeping it. Or else. In SS, this isn't necessary. However, it is possible to do this in SS without ever obtaining any bit of skill. Regardless of the low amount of damage of most attacks, i don't need a high amount of damage per attack to kill you. I can get you upto a ridiculous amount of damage simply with punch combos, (while giving you only milliseconds to act each cycle of combos), and then give a single high damage attack to send you flying. This may take five minutes per life of yours to kill you, but heck, i'll be nearly unscathed.

I also didn't say that even if you just like it, you have to be a fan. I like the game, just not as much as its predecessors. I'm merely saying that from your posts, it seems as if you have very little experiencing in the fighting game genre, and probably have little idea of what you talk about.

If you want to see a character taking control of the fight like I'm talking about, there were some excellent videos of kirby on youtube a while back, (hopefully still there), in melee and the original 64 which show kirby taking control of the fight and not giving the other characters any opportunity to even move, except perhaps an errant jump here and there, which he can easily compensate for.
Kirby is easy to accomplish this with due to his drill kick and rock falling moves. In 64 and melee, however, Kirbys high powered moves were clumsy enough to allow other players a counter attack before they flew off the stage.

Also, I use pika's lightning bolt in 64 and melee . . . I really haven't utilized it to any great degree in brawl. I believe you took what i said the wrong way, as most of ym post was meant in a humourous manner. (the allusion to mashed potatoes didn't tip you off?)
If you want a small list of it's uses . . . (64/melee, some may not apply to brawl but all of these apply in either 64 or melee)
1. Obviously, to shock someone beside you.
2. Run and jump over an area, using lightning bolt, and it strikes a bit behind you. You can use this to attack people far below, (since the bolt won't stop at your altitude), or as a move that won't interrupt your running. (Thanks to the jump, is also useful for dodging attacks while dishing one, in particular, donkey kongs charged up punch)
3. Obviously, as a scare tactic. Stop someone from jumping down to get you, while concentrating on another player.
4. Used in conjunction with a well aimed smash attack which lands you just short of the enemy, works the surprise factor with strength and unexpected direction. With good reflexes, can also allow you to get around their shield or counter attack with good timing.
5. Combo it with a twist shock downwards to toss the enemy up into the air, and then shock him again while he's up there to get him off screen, even if he's only been hit a little bit. May take several shocks, not advisable when more than you and him are left.
6. Force flying enemies to make precision moves coming back onto the platform. I usually beat my older brother, a kirby player, by forcing him to use kirbys b-up move to get back on the platform . . . half the time, he misjudges the distance, (since the b-up move carries you forward only a little tiny bit), and just plummets to his death as he misses the platform. He goes too far with it, and he's hit with a lightning bolt off the platform again.
7. Used in conjunction with a low agility, (you hit the ground as you come out of it), you can break up any fray between any other players . . . and hopefully kill one or more of them.
8. On levels with upper layers, attack the upper layers of the level from any of the lower levels,
9. (melee only) On levels with many upper and lower layers, use your knowledge of how far above you the lightning bolt originates above you to strike unprepared enemies in middle platforms . . . who often can't attack back, and are forced to move towards you.
10. Used in conjunction with a grab, you can shock an enemy as soon as he escapes from your grab, before he has a chance to do anything.
11. Use to force kirby into his rock form to avoid damage. He can easily be thrown while in, or coming out of said rock form.

Convinced of the usefulness of one of the simplest moves in the game, yet? I can continue, and i do know my subject matter.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (Battlefrank @ Apr 23 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shit, we've had a lot of that coming from Yahtzee's viewers. except they are blindly obedient towards yahtzee and rabidly attacking anyone who plays SSBB and enjoys it. Great fucking job being tolerant, you silly assholes.


I don't think you're reading the same forum I'm reading. There seems to be an inordinate number of Smash fans defending the game to the death. I'm also reading several posts politely disagreeing with Yahtzee's review.

Just ignore the storm o' feces up there and you'll see it.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:38 AM

I've yet to see someone willing to speak so much BULLSHIT to try and sound like he knows what he's talking about. Then again, maybe it is true you only play with pants-on-head retarded 3 year olds with a fascination to club their dogs to death with their wiimotes.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I maintain that you should try a real fighting game. I'm not talking twelve button combos whereas you pull a single move out of your ass, I'm talking about unleashing a series of kicks and punchs that don't allow the other player anytime to act . . . you realize that, right? Not something like left, down, a, giant fireball! More like, kick, punch, jump, punch, kick, lowkick, etc.

This is a "traditional" fighting game. In real life you can't jump 10 feet up in the air from a still position, usually don't knock someone down with a sweeper kick and definetly not survive a sword thrust in your chest.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Real fighting games are about taking control of the fight and keeping it.

True.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or else. In SS, this isn't necessary. However, it is possible to do this in SS without ever obtaining any bit of skill. Regardless of the low amount of damage of most attacks, i don't need a high amount of damage per attack to kill you. I can get you upto a ridiculous amount of damage simply with punch combos, (while giving you only milliseconds to act each cycle of combos), and then give a single high damage attack to send you flying. This may take five minutes per life of yours to kill you, but heck, i'll be nearly unscathed.

Bullshit. If you've never played SS without items and only 1 vs 1, you DEFINETLY have no idea what balance means. Punch combos? Dude, that's a way of beggining a long combo, but you definetly CANNOT depend on this. Smash attacks are SLOW so you can't just hit-hit-smash like a traditional fighting game. Well, unless your opponent has no idea that he can block and sidestep, but then again, I guess you play against a Wiimote on the floor.

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also didn't say that even if you just like it, you have to be a fan. I like the game, just not as much as its predecessors. I'm merely saying that from your posts, it seems as if you have very little experiencing in the fighting game genre, and probably have little idea of what you talk about.

That's so sweet. You're probably 16 and your first fighting game was either Marvel SuperHeroes Vs Street Fighter OR King of Fighters 99. I, of course, have no idea how to play fighting games, since I only owned Street Fighter II Turbo when it came on the SNES, I played KOF 94, and a bunch of other Fighting games from their roots, but pffff, what do I know right?

QUOTE (FFreak3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you want to see a character taking control of the fight like I'm talking about, there were some excellent videos of kirby on youtube a while back, (hopefully still there), in melee and the original 64 which show kirby taking control of the fight and not giving the other characters any opportunity to even move, except perhaps an errant jump here and there, which he can easily compensate for. Kirby is easy to accomplish this with due to his drill kick and rock falling moves. In 64 and melee, however, Kirbys high powered moves were clumsy enough to allow other players a counter attack before they flew off the stage.

Kirby was a bit unbalanced on SSB, and was a bit too downgraded on Melee, to the point that he's a piece of CRAP, smeared against a cup of Solid manure and with a small diarrea frosting. Whoever has found Kirby to be competitive in Melee (even worse, BROKEN) is not only out of his mind, he should be confined far away from society.

And god... ROCK FALLING MOVES USEFULL?! Dude... I wanted to answer the rest, but seriously, shut up man. If there's something worse than a Nintendo Fanboy, is another console's fanboy trying to sound like he's actually played other console's games. Get back to Final Fantasy dude, stay there, for the good of all.
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