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Benazir Bhutto is Dead Thursday December 27, 2007

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 01:33 PM

Benazir Bhutto assassinated at rally

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Pakistan was plunged into deeper political turmoil today after the assassination of the former prime minister and main opposition leader, Benazir Bhutto, in a suicide attack.

As he confronted a situation that threatened to spiral out of control, President Pervez Musharraf condemned the attack as the work of terrorists and appealed for calm.

"This is the work of those terrorists with whom we are engaged in war," he told Pakistan state TV. "I have been saying that the nation faces the greatest threats from these terrorists. Today after this tragic incident, I want to express my firm resolve."

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Musharraf announced three days of national mourning during which the Pakistani flag will fly at half-mast.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, the president convened an emergency meeting to discuss the government's reaction. Unnamed sources told the Associated Press news agency that the discussions included whether or not to proceed as planned with January's parliamentary elections.

The US president, George Bush, broke off his holiday at Camp David to condemn the killing of Bhutto, who was the first woman to lead a Muslim state. Bhutto's death marks a severe blow for the US, which had encouraged Bhutto to return from exile and share power with Musharraf.

"The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy," Bush said, adding that those responsible for Bhutto's death "must be brought to justice".

Bhutto was killed as her jeep pulled away from an election rally in Rawalpindi. Standing up in an open-top jeep, she presented a clear target.

Eyewitnesses spoke of hearing gunshots followed by a bomb blast. Bhutto's security adviser, Rehman Malik, said the former PM was shot in the chest and neck. Conflicting reports from Pakistan's interior ministry said Bhutto was killed by the suicide bomber's collision with her jeep.

Bhutto was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery but is reported to have died on the journey at 6.16pm local time (1.16pm GMT). At least 20 others were killed in the attack.

Announcing the death of the Pakistan People's party (PPP) leader outside the hospital, Bhutto's lawyer said: "The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred."

Bhutto's supporters at the hospital wept, smashed the glass doors and started fires around the hospital periphery. Some were heard to shout "dog, Musharraf, dog" and "killer Musharraf".

Her long-time political rival and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif went straight to Bhutto's bedside. Bhutto and Sharif had been attempting to form a united front.

In a statement, Sharif referred to her as a "sister" and said he "shared the grief of the entire nation". He later demanded Musharraf resign immediately.

"The holding of fair and free elections is not possible in the presence of Pervez Musharraf. After the killing of Benazir Bhutto, I announce that the Pakistan Muslim League-N will boycott the elections," he said.

Members of other opposition parties said her death could trigger civil war.

In Karachi, shop owners quickly closed their businesses as protesters set tyres on fire on the roads, torched several vehicles and burned a petrol station, said Fayyaz Leghri, a local police official. Gunmen shot and wounded two police officers, he said.

One man was killed in a shootout between police and protesters in Tando Allahyar, a town 120 miles north of Karachi, said the mayor, Kanwar Naveed. In the town of Tando Jam, protesters forced passengers to get out of a train and then set it on fire.

Violence also broke out in Lahore, Multan, Peshawar and many other parts of Pakistan, where Bhutto's supporters burned banks, state-run grocery stores and private shops. Some set fire to the election offices of the ruling party, according to Pakistani media.

The violence came at the height of campaigning by opposition leaders. Hours before the assassination, clashes between Sharif supporters and pro-government supporters at a separate rally saw four people killed and three wounded.

As soon as the government learned of Bhutto's assassination it convened an informal discussion on whether or not to go ahead with January's elections as planned. Holding the elections as planned was something for which Bhutto had campaigned hard.

The United Nations announced it was convening an emergency meeting concerning the assassination.

The British foreign secretary, David Miliband, called for "restraint but also unity" as he expressed his shock at Bhutto's death.

"All those committed to a stable future for Pakistan will condemn without qualification all violence perpetrated against innocent people," he said. "In targeting Benazir Bhutto extremist groups have in their sights all those committed to democratic processes in Pakistan. They cannot and must not succeed."

Malik, Bhutto's security adviser, questioned the adequacy of protection for Bhutto.

"We repeatedly informed the government to provide her proper security and appropriate equipment including jammers, but they paid no heed to our requests," he said.

It appears the Musharraf government had been considering ways to strengthen her security, and it forced Bhutto's PPP to cancel a rally in Rawalpindi in November due to security fears.

Today's Rawalpindi rally only went ahead after hundreds of riot police had set up security checkpoints. Rawalpindi is a so-called garrison city and popularly regarded as one of the most secure cities in Pakistan.

On Bhutto's return to the country in October after eight years in exile, a local Taliban leader threatened to unleash a series of suicide attacks.

Although today's attacks bore the hallmarks of Islamist opponents to the moderate Bhutto, critics attacked Musharraf.

In Rawalpindi, grieving supporters tore down the posters of Musharraf's ruling party and attacked police, who fled from the scene. Angry supporters also took to the streets in Peshawar, while in Karachi shop owners quickly closed for business as activists from Bhutto's party burned tyres on the roads.

The assassination came two months after more than 140 people were killed when suicide bombers struck a parade celebrating Bhutto's return from exile in the southern city of Karachi.


Pakistan: Al-Qaeda claims Bhutto's death

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Karachi, 27 Dec. (AKI) - (by Syed Saleem Shahzad) - A spokesperson for the al-Qaeda terrorist network has claimed responsibility for the death on Thursday of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

“We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen,” Al-Qaeda’s commander and main spokesperson Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid told Adnkronos International (AKI) in a phone call from an unknown location, speaking in faltering English. Al-Yazid is the main al-Qaeda commander in Afghanistan.

It is believed that the decision to kill Bhutto, who is the leader of the opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP), was made by al-Qaeda No. 2, the Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October.

Death squads were allegedly constituted for the mission and ultimately one cell comprising a defunct Lashkar-i-Jhangvi’s Punjabi volunteer succeeded in killing Bhutto.

Bhutto had just addressed a pre-election rally on Thursday in the garrison town of Rawalpindi when the bomb went off.

She had come to Rawalpindi after finishing a rapid election campaign, ahead of the January polls, in Pakistan's volatile North West Frontier Province (NWFP) where she had talked about a war against terrorism and al-Qaeda.

Reports say at least 15 other people were killed in the attack and several others injured.

As news of Bhutto's death spread throughout the country, there are reports that people have taken to the streets to protest the death of the leader of the PPP, which has the largest support of any party in Pakistan.

In the southern port city of Karachi, Bhutto's hometown, residents reportedly threw stones at cars and burnt tyres.

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 07:21 PM

So the US says "Hey, former female Muslim ruler, return to Pakistan and rule jointly with a military dictator who just recently declared martial law for no reason and then had his entire opposition arrested." She... I guess listened, and was sadly murdered. Naturally, it's terrorists' fault, and surprise, it's Al-Qaeda. If you ask me, the pig in power over there did it, and either Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility because they love being the center of attention and/or really support Mr. Dictator, or some government paid someone to claim to be from Al-Qaeda to spread some false intelligence.

It's shitty all around though whatever the truth of it may be, and makes me once again cry "What the fuck? It's 2008 and this crap is still happening?!" as I throw my hands up in disgust.
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 07:53 PM

One thing doesn’t make sense to me about this. Pakistan has been having massive problems with Al-Qaeda since 2001. Why declare martial law now?
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 02:13 PM

He probably received some intel that said that he was close to being overthrown or thrown out of office via fair elections, and hasn't had time to rig them yet.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 04:51 PM

I can’t say if the assassination Benazir Bhutto is a good thing or not. On one hand a pro-American politician is dead. On the other a pro-American leader is inevitably going to be in power for a long time now. Well at least he will keep the Islamic Fascists at bay, as long as it serves his purpose to do so. Though I can’t image why any sensible person would want their country to turn into Afghanistan during the Taliban years.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 10:33 PM

You think Musharaff is our ALLIE? haha that's a great one Logan. Where have you been the past 7 years? Bin Laden and his men are chillaxing in Northern Pakistan and launching raids over the border while Musharaff sits there and denounces them occasionally. Now, why isn't Musharaff cracking down on them? There are lots of reasons. First let's take a look with the ghost of politics past.

Pakistan: Hey, terrorist guys. We cant go to war wtih India, but why dont you go and blow up Kashmir until they give it to us?

Terrorists: Woohoo! We're your friends now.

Soviets: Hey Pakistan, we're taking over a country just North of you so stay out of it. Dont make us smoke your ass Abdul.

Pakistan: Hey terrorists, here's a bunch of guns, go kill some ruskies.

Now that that's established we'll take a tour of modern Pakistan with the ghost of politics present.

Pakistanis: We sure would love to get rid of this dictator.

Americans: You're a dictator, and your people want to get rid of you.

Musharaff: But there are terrorists. I have to impose emergency rule so I can fight them. And sometimes I have to kill my own people because they're terrorists maybe.

Americans: Good point! Here's 20 billion dollars to help you kill terrorists.

Musharaff: Hooray!

And knowing hte current situation, lets take a look at the future of Pakistan if Musharaff defeated the, akhem, as you say "Islamo fascists" or whatever Bush tells you people to call them these days. The ghost of politics yet to come bids you listen...

Musharaff: Well theres no more terrorists

US: Great now we dont have to pay you money anymore and you can hold fair elections.

Musharaff: Fuck! It sure is a shame I killed all the terrorists. If I'd just CLAIMED to be against them while taking America's money I could have:
*Continued a state of emergency and stayed in power forever
*Kept getting billions in tax payer money
*Had a convenient scapegoat any time someone I don't like has to be exe... I mean "terroristed"

You get the picture now?

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 11:05 PM

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You think Musharaff is our ALLIE? haha that's a great one Logan. Where have you been the past 7 years? Bin Laden and his men are chillaxing in Northern Pakistan and launching raids over the border while Musharaff sits there and denounces them occasionally. Now, why isn't Musharaff cracking down on them? There are lots of reasons. First let's take a look with the ghost of politics past.


Our ally? I never said that, I said he was a pro-American leader (which is any leader that takes American handouts) who is keeping Islamic Fascists at bay for now.

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And knowing hte current situation, lets take a look at the future of Pakistan if Musharaff defeated the, akhem, as you say "Islamo fascists" or whatever Bush tells you people to call them these days. The ghost of politics yet to come bids you listen...


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Don’t be stupid. Just because I don’t like traitors, it doesn’t mean I am condoning the way Bush is handling the wars. He invaded a secular state that was keeping the Islamic Fascists at bay for God’s sake! Where the hell is the logic in that?


And they are Islamic Fascists. If you don’t know what Islamic Fascism is and I am guessing that you don’t (after all, you think that anyone who is against religious fascism is a Bush supporter) it is fascism based on the Islamic religion.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:29 AM

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who is keeping Islamic Fascists at bay for now.


There should be a question mark there, because I know you cant be indicating that Musharaff is making any moves to keep the "Islamic fascists" at bay. You can pick apart the details of my post all you want, but you obviously didnt notice the mainstay of the thing so I'll spell it out:

Musharaff is in bed with Qaeda and the Taliban. The Taliban originated in Pakistan with his intelligence services. He's claiming to be against them so he can hold on to power. If he wanted them he could have Bin Laden shipped to him in a box at any time. He is not on our side. He is a dictator against his own people and against US interests, because after a while he's going to screw up in his little tightrope walk and without a democratically mandated government, and with no viable opposition leaders left (Bhutto's group is now uber fucked thanks to her dunce of a husband) the so-called Islamic fascists will take over.

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And they are Islamic Fascists. If you don’t know what Islamic Fascism is and I am guessing that you don’t (after all, you think that anyone who is against religious fascism is a Bush supporter) it is fascism based on the Islamic religion.


There is a big difference between National Socialism and just plain Nationalism. I see most of the Islamic resistance groups as nationalists seeking to implement the laws of their shared religion and, more importantly, to remove Western hegemony. If that makes them fascists, so be it.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 04:05 AM

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There should be a question mark there, because I know you cant be indicating that Musharaff is making any moves to keep the "Islamic fascists" at bay. You can pick apart the details of my post all you want, but you obviously didnt notice the mainstay of the thing so I'll spell it out:

Musharaff is in bed with Qaeda and the Taliban. The Taliban originated in Pakistan with his intelligence services. He's claiming to be against them so he can hold on to power. If he wanted them he could have Bin Laden shipped to him in a box at any time. He is not on our side. He is a dictator against his own people and against US interests, because after a while he's going to screw up in his little tightrope walk and without a democratically mandated government, and with no viable opposition leaders left (Bhutto's group is now uber fucked thanks to her dunce of a husband) the so-called Islamic fascists will take over.


Have any evidence to back up your claims?
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:58 PM

After all of this nonsense in at least two threads, NOW you ask for some kind of evidence? You do realize that now you've turned this card, you're going to have to site all of your sources as well to maintain credibility, aye? Neither you, nor JM have really been citing sources, so it's going to be a great big mess on both of your parts. tongue.gif

In the first case, technically, Pakistan is not keeping terrorists at bay by default since some sort of actions are required to be put in motion for an effort like that to occur, and in general, you can't prove the negative of something, you disprove the positive. I have no evidence either way, but it's painfully obvious and just painful that the leader of Pakistan is a horribly corrupt pig.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 08:27 PM

It is unrealistic that the president of Pakistan is supporting the fascists. After all, they are killing Pakistanis. Whether or not he is working with tribes that are working with the fascists is uncertain.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 10:44 PM

Ummm... Logan? Who are the fascists killing? How many Musharaff rallies have been blown up? And my evidence is what most would refer to as obvious. It is a fact that Pakistan's intelligence service aided and organized terrorist and guerilla groups in Kashmir. It is a fact that Pakistan's intelligence service worked closely with the Taliban and even Bin Laden during the Soviet invasion. Do you think relationships like that just stop? These guys know eachother for 20 years and guess where Musharaff came from? The army and intelligence sector. What more does it take to make it obvious.

Wait, I know. I'll get the CIA to go kidnap him and sodomize him until he admits to his guilt. That's the kind of evidence you like, right?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 10:57 PM

ARE YOU UNABLE TO READ? Or do you read what I post and then your brain somehow translates it to say something completely different? Are you smoking hash? Is that the reason? Where the hell have I said that torture should be used to extract evidence? Please tell me.
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Posted 06 January 2008 - 07:13 PM

You advocated the use of torture against "traitors" in the David Hicks thread, right?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 02:35 AM

As punishment, not as something used to gather evidence as you implied.
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