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Capital Punishment with assigned sides

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:16 PM

So: Capital Punishment. Should it be in use or not? Not just "is it morally right or wrong," also argue the economical/polital/etc implications and affects.

Those who are interested, join in - once you do, I'll assign you a side with something like a coin flip or something (but if one side starts getting too many people I'll even it up).

So, I'll start. I'm assigning myself to be pro-capital punishment just because I'm anti-capital punishment. First person to argue what I say gets to be exempt from the coin toss and will be anti-capital punishment.




Killing those who have committed such atrocities as murder and rape ensures that they won't do it again, and the family of the victim(s) get their revenge and so feel better about the whole thing.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:48 PM

I'm not sure your heart is really into that one, Spoon. Flip a coin for me.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:50 PM

Heh, you're right, Civ. I tried, but I'm not really feeling very debatey today.

I actually have no coins on me, so I spun a highlighter and said "left or down = pro, right or up = anti." Cap pointed left so you're pro.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:52 PM

Ooh, excellent. A debate for which I don't need to argue my opinion! Right up my alley. I was considering jumping in pro death penalty because it needs more arguments given that it's so easy to argue against, but I'm lazy, so I'll wait until I'm assigned a side.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:04 PM

According to stats frequently cited on the internet, the murder rate has gone down significantly in the State that also has the greatest number of Death Sentences carried out, Texas. Check this out:

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In 1980 alone, 2,392 people died by homicide, giving it a murder rate of 16.88 for every 100,000 of the population. (The U.S. average murder rate in 1980 was 10.22, falling to 5.51 per 100,000 by the year 2000. Over the same period, Texas had a population increase of 32%, up 6,681,991 from 14,169,829 to 20,851,820. There were only 1,238 murders in 2000 giving it a rate of 5.94, just slightly higher than the national rate which had dropped to 5.51/100,000. In the base year (1980), there was one murder for every 5,924 Texans. By the year 2000, this had fallen to one murder for every 16,843 people or 35.2% of the 1980 value. If the 1980 murder rate had been allowed to maintain, there would have been, by interpolation, a total of 61,751 murders. On this basis, 19,968 people are not dead today who would have potentially been homicide victims, representing 78 lives saved for each one of the 256 executions. The overall U.S. murder rate declined by 54% during the period. Therefore, to achieve a reasonable estimate of actual lives saved, we must multiply 19,968 by 0.54 giving a more realistic figure of 10,783 lives saved or 42 lives per execution. Even if this estimate was off by a factor of 10 (which is highly unlikely), there would still be over 1,000 innocent lives saved or 4 lives per execution. One can see a drop in the number of murders in 1983, the year after Charlie Brooks became the first person to be executed by lethal injection in America.


found here:

http://www.richard.c...k/thoughts.html

Ergo, the death penalty is an efective deterrant against murder. I wouldn't go so far as to apply it to Rape or most other crimes, however, as citations of the baby Lindbergh law may follow.

Killing murderers saves lives!
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:04 PM

I'd be happy to join in, although I have to admit I'm for the death penalty now that I've had a while to think about it.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 12:30 AM

Myself, I'm for the death penalty, but I'll sit here like a good boy and wait to be assigned.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:31 AM

Mirithorn, you're against death penalty. Jm, you're pro (though I'd like to make you against, my damned highlighter doesn't agree tongue.gif). ?!!, you're against.
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 03:44 PM

Ooh! Pick me! Pick me!
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 03:51 PM

I'll get assigned. Totally.
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 04:00 PM

This time I spun a thumbtack. Ninja Duck, you're against; Otal, you're for. (Talk about bad grammar - but you know what I mean.)
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 04:47 PM

I argue that it is not bad grammar. However genuine bad grammar ought to be a Capital crime. Can't write? Then be drawn!

... or something.
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:53 PM

I think Capital Punishment should be extended to people who que arcoss intersections.
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:06 PM

Well, I ended my sentence with a preposition, as well as using a preposition as an adjective... But anyway...


A brief statement on capital punishment:

The death penalty is good for taxpayers because taxes no longer have to go towards that criminal's food, healthcare, and etc.
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:34 PM

By the same token, we should give up on social security, because it only goes toward funding members of society who contribute nothing. (And then we can stop pretending the social security number in America is not the same thing as a national ID number, but that's a different debate). Not to invoke Godwin's law, but any eugenics program is good for taxpayers because it means removing the unproductive and unable. You can't think in terms of dollars when you're dealing with human lives.

EDIT: Could we color-code our posts if we're for or against? Or would that be a silly rule?

This post has been edited by Ninja Duck: 23 October 2007 - 07:35 PM

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