Chefelf.com Night Life: Hayden At The End Of ROTJ - Chefelf.com Night Life

Jump to content

Star Wars Fan Convention

  • (5 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Hayden At The End Of ROTJ

#31 User is offline   DarthTherion Icon

  • Mini Boss
  • PipPip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 141
  • Joined: 05-May 05
  • Country:United States

Posted 17 June 2005 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (Thracozaag @ Jun 17 2005, 05:51 PM)
Oh goodie!! The Prophecy is fulfilled!!! rolleyes.gif

koji


Lucas has also balanced the great movies of the original Star Wars trilogy with the sub-par movies of the prequel trilogy. tongue.gif

NOW the prophecy is fulfilled!
0

#32 User is offline   Tpolg Icon

  • Henchman
  • Pip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 67
  • Joined: 16-June 05
  • Country:United States

Posted 21 June 2005 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Jun 17 2005, 07:12 AM)
How was Luke supposed to know that it is a younger Anakin??? That is why this scene is completely stupid.

For sure on having seen young Anakin he would have thought "wait a minute, and who are you, exactly?" He was able to recognise Sebastian Shaw from under the Vader's mask, because I was able to do that too, but there is no way that he would  have recognised this young whippersnapper with Princess Diana haricut and smile.

Hm, I think I had a bit of a problem with tenses in this post.  unsure.gif

These guys can send an animated holographic image instantaneously across the galaxy, but cant take a snap shot for posterity? rolleyes.gif
0

#33 User is offline   Radu094 Icon

  • Mini Boss
  • PipPip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 192
  • Joined: 02-February 04
  • Location:Romania
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 23 June 2005 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ Jun 17 2005, 02:12 PM)
How was Luke supposed to know that it is a younger Anakin??? That is why this scene is completely stupid.



Did you see the look on his Luke's face ?

" Oh.. there is master Yoda and Obi-Wan ! I see they made a new young friend in the afterworld. Say, did you guys happened to see my father while in there ? "
I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
0

#34 User is offline   Failureboy2 Icon

  • New Cop
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 45
  • Joined: 28-April 05
  • Location:Minneapolis
  • Interests:smoking cigars and pipes, playing computer games, writing, buying stuff
  • Country:United States

Posted 24 June 2005 - 09:19 AM

The simple answer is that Lucas changed the scene so that the AUDIENCE would recognise the young Anakin and go, "Ohhh, isn't that nice? He's back to the way he was! Yay!" He's thinking about how to connect with the audience, see.

It's the same clueless mentality that made him "introduce" Boba Fett in ANH. sick.gif

I'm sure this crap works on some poor, dumb suckers. Not me, though.
0

#35 User is offline   barend Icon

  • Anchor Head Anchor Man
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Crappy News Team
  • Posts: 11,839
  • Joined: 12-November 03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nieuw Holland
  • Interests:The Beers of Western Europe, Cognac, and constantly claiming the world would have been a better place if Napoleon had won.
  • Country:Australia

Posted 26 June 2005 - 10:00 PM

QUOTE (DarthTherion @ Jun 17 2005, 12:57 PM)
Hmmm, no one responded. I guess I'll have to debate myself.

Why wouldn't Luke understand that Hayden is his father? Who else would appear next to Yoda and Obi-wan? I know Luke is slow, but c'mon....

Luke never knew what his father looked like. It's not immediately obvious that the older man standing there is the same actor who was under the Vader helmet in the death scene (well, not to me anyway). I always thought Luke makes the very logical assumption (as the audience does) that the man standing there is Vader.


the question is why change it at all?

everything was fine... this was a classic moment, that now really, for no other reason, serves a cheap imposing advertisment for the prequels...

he may as well be holding a sign that says: "PT now available on DVD and VHS."

it's cheap...

and further more...

Hansolo/gredo scene was changed because lucas says: "How can you redeme a character who kills someone in cold blood"

and yet gave us anikan killing a room full of children, flanking the head of the jedi order, trying to kill his master, choking his wife, his son, his sons friends, and yet whenhe dies he gets a shiney new 20 something ghost image...

real consistant...


further more... don't give me that residual self image stuff... that's from the matrix, and was still based on reality!!!
0

#36 User is offline   barend Icon

  • Anchor Head Anchor Man
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Crappy News Team
  • Posts: 11,839
  • Joined: 12-November 03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nieuw Holland
  • Interests:The Beers of Western Europe, Cognac, and constantly claiming the world would have been a better place if Napoleon had won.
  • Country:Australia

Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:15 PM

also...

we should have ewan mcgregor in the ghost shot...

seeing as he seized to be obi-wan since before luke was born, and became 'ben'

tongue.gif

just to comply with apologist-logic.
0

#37 User is offline   diligent_d Icon

  • Soothsayer
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 541
  • Joined: 16-May 05
  • Country:Canada

Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE
" Oh.. there is master Yoda and Obi-Wan ! I see they made a new young friend in the afterworld. Say, did you guys happened to see my father while in there ? "


Hahahahah - that was good. "Who's this little prick?"
0

#38 User is offline   Despondent Icon

  • Think for yourself
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,684
  • Joined: 31-October 03
  • Location:a long time ago
  • Interests:Laughter. Louis pups. Percussion. What binds us. Bicycling, Tennis.
  • Country:United States

Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:24 PM

I agree. And have Qui-Gon all shmitten, on the make with Annie's mom. But make it like that final scene in Roger Rabbit where EVERYONE we've ever seen die, are singing, holding hands, and protesting peacefully.

Until a star destroyer lands on top of the peaceful demonstration, killing them all.
Actually, killing the ones who hadn't died yet. smile.gif
0

#39 User is offline   RisanF Icon

  • New Cop
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 18-April 06
  • Country:United States

Post icon  Posted 22 May 2006 - 05:23 AM

Here's another question we should mull over:

If Anakin's ghost appeared as Hayden in the new RotJ for such-and-such reasons, why didn't his ghost appear as a young man in the original cut of RotJ?

This post has been edited by RisanF: 22 May 2006 - 05:25 AM

0

#40 User is offline   barend Icon

  • Anchor Head Anchor Man
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Crappy News Team
  • Posts: 11,839
  • Joined: 12-November 03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nieuw Holland
  • Interests:The Beers of Western Europe, Cognac, and constantly claiming the world would have been a better place if Napoleon had won.
  • Country:Australia

Posted 22 May 2006 - 07:06 PM

they could have used luke with a mostache


the whole argument about him seizing to be anikan at a youg age is so bogus anyway...

because his last words were 'tell your sister you were right' and 'you already saved me'.... so his death bed redemption would have him older.

dickheads
0

#41 User is offline   Despondent Icon

  • Think for yourself
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,684
  • Joined: 31-October 03
  • Location:a long time ago
  • Interests:Laughter. Louis pups. Percussion. What binds us. Bicycling, Tennis.
  • Country:United States

Posted 22 May 2006 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE (barend @ May 22 2006, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
because his last words were 'tell your sister you were right' and 'you already saved me'.... so his death bed redemption would have him older.
Great observation.
alternately, didn't GL film that Hayden scene early on, in all probability so he could say AS hadn't turned evil (or even kissed the Emp's ass yet) and was without blemish? wink.gif

It proves that there Are 2 Anikans. The one in the three movie saga and the other guy.
0

#42 User is offline   Kuma Icon

  • New Cop
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 15
  • Joined: 03-September 06
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 08 September 2006 - 11:14 AM

I think some of the gripes about the change are sorta missing the point, being that George wanted the series to be about the Campbellian Hero's Journey.

Part of the importance of that journey is that it ultimately leads back to the "younger" or "childlike" self and the source of both conflict and resolution.

I believe that this "new" version of the scene brings that issue to close very well--it highlights the similarities--physically, emotionally, and spiritually--between Luke and Anakin. In some ways, this scene corrects the discordance begun in ESB when Luke discovered his own face inside Vader's helmet during his "failure in the cave."

Through his trilogy Anakin was constantly faced with choices and made wrong ones; Luke was faced with similar choices and made the right decisions; or, even if he made the wrong decisions, he let compassion and mercy override his anger.

Their faces and exp​ressions look very similar in this scene now, so one gets the impression of the "circle" being completed--Luke has become what Anakin hoped to be, and Anakin has also been saved. In some ways, they represent outwardly divergent yet ultimately convergent paths and opportunities in the same individual.

I also find it interesting that part of this resolution seems to be a partial acceptance of the dark side. I believe this also points to the meaning of the whole "balance to the force" issue raised in the prequels. In the end, Luke wears his black clothes and has his artificial hand...he is sorta a 1/4 Vader at this point. Anakin, who was 100 percent Vader, has been restored to his former state of wholeness, but, being Anakin, we know he too still carries part of Vader within. Both of them are now spiritually in balance with the Force.

So that's what I think it's about, and why I like the change--we realize, in the end, the similarities between father and son, and how both of them represent different stages in the evolution of the hero's journey, and how one of the lessons of that journey is not to simply denounce the dark side of oneself as the Jedi of old did, but to bring it into harmony with one's totality of being.

This post has been edited by Kuma: 08 September 2006 - 11:21 AM

0

#43 User is offline   diligent_d Icon

  • Soothsayer
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 541
  • Joined: 16-May 05
  • Country:Canada

Posted 08 September 2006 - 01:15 PM

Bah.
0

#44 User is offline   georgelucas4greedo Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 371
  • Joined: 12-July 05
  • Country:United States

Posted 08 September 2006 - 07:08 PM

I don't mind Hayden at the end of ROTJ because it helps remind me that no matter how bad Jedi is, Lucas could've done worse. It is like looking at the scar on your hand that resulted from a cut that could have got infected and caused you amputate your hand.
It seems like everyone is over the nitpicking. Too bad.
0

#45 User is offline   Kuma Icon

  • New Cop
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 15
  • Joined: 03-September 06
  • Country:Nothing Selected

Posted 08 September 2006 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE (diligent_d @ Sep 8 2006, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bah.


Care to expand on that?
0

  • (5 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5


Fast Reply

  • Decrease editor size
  • Increase editor size