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Posted 12 January 2006 - 01:17 AM

In AOTC, we see Dooku duel Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Yoda without breaking a sweat. After him and Yoda get into saber lock, Dooku uses the Force to make some large object fall and attempt to crush Anakin and Obi-Wan. As soon as he does this, Yoda puts his saber away and focuses on saving Obi-Wan. My question is, why doesn't Dooku just decapitate Yoda, and then leave?

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 07:43 AM

According to what we see, you can deduce that Dooku isn't as twisted and evil as Palpatine is and Vader becomes. He had the code of chivalry he lived by before becoming a Jedi and continued using it afterward, only inflicting as much damage on an evenly matched opponent as necessary. Supposedly, he's more interested in the Republic falling for the dupe of using and adopting the clone army than an easy one off victory. I don't think he knew about the real nature of the Dark Side and the Sith or the true identity of Palpatine. He may have been duped as well by Palpatine into hearing what he wanted that the path of the Sith was a way to weed out corruption of the Jedi order and the Republic which he grew disallusioned with. Supposedly, in the opening duel in ROTS after he lost his hands and was about to be decapitated at Palpatine's urging, he says "but you promised me amnesty!" before the cutting took place.It would reinforce the theory that he didn't know Palpatine and Sideous were one and the same, or tat his idea of what the Sith were and the direction they were heading in was way different than Palpatine's. Would someone who pushed the Seperatist line want the establishment of a monolithic intergalactic Empire? Hard to believe they would.

And as to why he doesn't pull out the stops on Anakin the way he did Obi Wan during the ROTS duel is beyond me, unless he somehow knew and was OK with taking the fall for the team, but that's never hinted at and its too big a conjecture to make with what's presented.
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 06:53 PM

That sounds more like you thought Dooku was a plain idiot, not a very cunning and charismatic leader. By the way, he even tells Obi-wan that a Sith Lord controls the Senate. Now, you may say that it could have been anybody, but I'll go with he knew who it was. As for believing that the Sith would weed out corruption, a Sith killed his former apprentice. An apprentice who for all intents and purposes wasn't corrupt. Perhaps Dooku was cleverly decieved, or was acting on his own agenda, but I don't beleive him to be such a moron. Then again, it seems so many others in this era were as well.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 04:39 PM

So alternate, realistic scenario #1 for AOTC:

Yoda grabs for the pillar. Dooku cuts him down. Pillar drops, crushing Obi-Wan and Anakin. Dooku heads out before Padme's LAAT can catch him.

Alternate, realistic scenario #2 for AOTC:

Dooku chivalrically (out of respect for Yoda, that he didn't have for Obi-Wan or Anakin) lets Yoda live, and heads for his ship. Yoda tosses the pillar on top of Dooku or his ship, killing him (or at least preventing his escape by disabling the ship). The Jedi dust themselves off and Grievous has to take over the Seperatists 3 years early.

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Posted 13 January 2006 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (KurganX @ Jan 13 2006, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So alternate, realistic scenario #1 for AOTC:

Yoda grabs for the pillar. Dooku cuts him down. Pillar drops, crushing Obi-Wan and Anakin. Dooku heads out before Padme's LAAT can catch him.

Alternate, realistic scenario #2 for AOTC:

Dooku chivalrically (out of respect for Yoda, that he didn't have for Obi-Wan or Anakin) lets Yoda live, and heads for his ship. Yoda tosses the pillar on top of Dooku or his ship, killing him (or at least preventing his escape by disabling the ship). The Jedi dust themselves off and Grievous has to take over the Seperatists 3 years early.

I would have actually been willing to accept the plot inconsistency of Yoda's death just so I could see Dooku slice Yoda's head off. Could you imagine how great that scene would be? Everyone is thinking "Yoda's fighting, he's the greatest Jedi ever", and then have him killed within seconds of fighting. Oh, and while Yoda dies, Anakin and Obi-Wan roll out of the way of the pillar just in time.
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:51 AM

no. they get crushed by it and they all die. and dooku rapes palpatine in the face.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 11:30 PM

Dooku just doesn't seem like much of a Sith when compared to Palpatine's behavior or Maul's or Vader's. He just seems like a rebellous aristocrat than a malicious individual, who's more satidfied at making his point and inflicting a minimum of damage, preferring to cut and run for more of the same for another day.
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 03:59 AM

Well, just about anything is better than seeing him later on easily defeated in one on one with Anakin, beheaded, and then mocked when Anakin says that he shouldn't have done that.

Dooku ,in my opinion, from what I've seen and read, should have been portrayed as more of a double agent. Working against Palpatine from the inside as best he could, and trying to improve the galaxy and weed out corruption in the Republic (using the war to do such things). Eventually he is caught and confronted by Sidious where he dies by some means or another (thereby making him a hero, but I'm also of the thought that there ought to be more than two Sith at a time).
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 04:37 AM

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Everyone is thinking "Yoda's fighting, he's the greatest Jedi ever", and then have him killed within seconds of fighting. Oh, and while Yoda dies, Anakin and Obi-Wan roll out of the way of the pillar just in time.


Yoda dying actually wouldn't have been that big of a deal when compared with all the other massive plot-holes and inconsistencies between the trilogies...
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 04:15 PM

tongue.gif The Jedi Death trick in reverse:

PT Yoda- pixelated life form which does not exist.

OT Yoda- He comes back to life as an actual physical presence. (albeit a Muppet).
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE (diligent_d @ Jan 18 2006, 04:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yoda dying actually wouldn't have been that big of a deal when compared with all the other massive plot-holes and inconsistencies between the trilogies...


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Posted 31 January 2006 - 12:59 AM

it is a good question... BUT...

the correct answer is: if he'd thrown his sabre at him, run up and cut his head of, or force lighteninged him... anikan would have died. And i'm pretty sure d00ku was in the l00p on that one.

still... if he'd zaped yoda, he would have flinched and anikan and obiwan would have been crushed...

and no matter what palpatine would have instructed me to do...
i would have done it for the comedy value. and yoda would have survived and felt like an ass.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Darth Player @ Jan 17 2006, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dooku just doesn't seem like much of a Sith when compared to Palpatine's behavior or Maul's or Vader's. He just seems like a rebellous aristocrat than a malicious individual, who's more satidfied at making his point and inflicting a minimum of damage, preferring to cut and run for more of the same for another day.


Dooku isn't a Sith. He's a rogue Jedi who was tired of the nonsense taking place in the Jedi Council. He is exactly, as you pointed out, that of a rebellious aristocrat... although, sometimes he can be a bit malicious toward weaker opponents. He views Obi-Wan and Anakin as being beneath him... especially after watching Anakin's ridiculous antics of using two lightsabers. If Dooku were an animal, he would be an eagle. An eagle soars high above everything, so sometimes, the pigeons below seem to be a bit pedestrian. It is Dooku's belief that if you can't get the job done with one lightsaber, why would you need two? He trained Grievous in the Jedi arts and he was even more resentful when Grievous would use three or four sabers when sparring with the Magnaguards. He is a man of chivalry and nobility, so he spared killing Yoda out of respect for his former Master.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Jejef Thgaron @ Mar 10 2006, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dooku isn't a Sith. He's a rogue Jedi who was tired of the nonsense taking place in the Jedi Council.


Oh my god, would you stop it already! How many threads are you gonna bring this up on.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:23 PM

A Sithload.
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